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Ableton 8 specific Psy Tricks!
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mans
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Posted : Sep 10, 2010 03:10
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i'm sorry if i'm posting this in the wrong topic, but i have some problems with the ableton....
got some memory problems on the 7.0.3 version > then install the 8 with the 8.1.4 patch, and now i cannot open one project that i'm working on it :/
i've tried to format, make another partition special for the ableton stuffs but all the time was the memory usage problem (30% usage lol)
and then it came from nowhere
Unkown Compound Stream Type
The document was created by a more recent , and incompatible version of Live than this.
what the fuck just happened?
I thought there will be some tips on ableton forums, but there aren't or on any others...
so i'm asking for help here cause don't know what to do...and especially i don't my new project to go down, i was working with such a love on it, and now this shit happens...
anyway if anyone knows how to deal with this, will be great to share  
thanks
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Spycht
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Posted : Sep 11, 2010 11:06
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On 2010-07-10 05:04, willsanquil wrote:
if you drop the grains all the way down to the lowest setting then fuck with the transpose and the flux.
Unfortunately you cannot automate these settings
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Actually you can. A friend let me in on this at the last show I attended. You can use the modulation in clip mode to automate both flux and grain, then of course transpose is automatable as well. Just choose either grain or flux under clip and draw away. |
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willsanquil
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Posted : Sep 11, 2010 23:37
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On 2010-09-10 03:10, mans wrote:
i'm sorry if i'm posting this in the wrong topic, but i have some problems with the ableton....
got some memory problems on the 7.0.3 version > then install the 8 with the 8.1.4 patch, and now i cannot open one project that i'm working on it :/
i've tried to format, make another partition special for the ableton stuffs but all the time was the memory usage problem (30% usage lol)
and then it came from nowhere
Unkown Compound Stream Type
The document was created by a more recent , and incompatible version of Live than this.
what the fuck just happened?
I thought there will be some tips on ableton forums, but there aren't or on any others...
so i'm asking for help here cause don't know what to do...and especially i don't my new project to go down, i was working with such a love on it, and now this shit happens...
anyway if anyone knows how to deal with this, will be great to share
thanks
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Ableton does this shitty thing where if you create a file with say, 8.1.4 and then try to open it with 7 or 8.1.3, blah blah, it will not work.
So, say you have your Project, and you create it in live 7. You then open it in 8, save it...it will no longer ever be openable through anything but 8 or above
Is your version of 8.1.4 working normally with other projects? If so, it should be able to open any project file....especially if it was created in 7
Nice tip on the grain/flux modulation btw, I always had to live 1:1 record while tweaking those manually but no longer! cheers
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mans
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Posted : Sep 12, 2010 01:37
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thanks mate 
anyway ableton 8.1.4 opens all other files except this one, so i had to delete the preferences.cfg file to make it work, i mean to export all the channels one by one...there are some crashes and it takes a lot of time, but thats it :/
btw preferences.cfg is located in User/Library/Preferences/Ableton/Live6,7,8... 
and on every crash, u should delete the preferences.cfg file to get in to the project (in my case )
can' wait for the 9 cause the version 8 is a total catastrophe !!!
cheers!
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willsanquil
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Posted : Sep 26, 2010 00:01
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BREAK AWAY FROM MIDI
one of ways to keep your (or at least mine) creativity fresh and keep your productions moving forward is to embrace the freeze and flatten functions of ableton.
I've been getting really good results out of just throwing one long evolving note in with some of my personal presets, and then IMMEDIATELY freeze, flatten down to audio - I also have 4-5 sends with favorite FX that I have routed down to a resampling track, so say I have the freshly flattened original audio on track 1, I route that and all applicable FX to track 2, press record and live tweak the FX.
Just keep abusing audio as quickly as possible while shedding any prior steps and MIDI data. After each live tweak of FX make sure to go back and delete the automation so that you can do it again for the next piece.
An added bonus of this method is that you are using VERY little CPU power after you get your results down to audio. After a couple hours of this technique I have a really sweet 32 bar loop for a new track that is very, moreso than a lot of my previous work...and I'm only using 20% of my CPU. Usually when a section is this full sounding I'm ~70%.
Don't save everything in MIDI! get down to that fun audio shit!
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geekhorde
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Posted : Sep 26, 2010 04:39
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Will, so you use this for pads or atmos? Do you route the audio to sends only? Interesting concept. I'm going to have to play around with this. |
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willsanquil
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Posted : Sep 26, 2010 05:37
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I've been using it for everything - lead lines, atmospheres....one shots...the works
Try this:
Create 4 send/return tracks, in each one place your favorite flanger/phaser/shifter/etc
Create an audio channel underneath your synth channel or audio channel that you're resampling, route all of the return tracks and the original synth/audio track to that new audio track.
Now, go to your first send/return track, and record some automation on your FX - sometimes it is easier to solo that particular send while you tweak so you can better hear what is going on
do this for all the FX sends that you want, then actually record all 4+ sources into that one audio track you have created. Really, really fun and you get some atypical results quite quickly.
Alternatively you can just record one or multiple send channels, or say you have 2 send channels, pan one hard left and one hard right and have the original sound in the middle - EQ out the sides for better gel if need be.
You can get really creative with ableton routing - also try enabling the sends for your sends and routing all your FX to a delay which is fed to itself....or vice versa....theres a whole world of cool shit in ableton send routing!
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willsanquil
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Posted : Sep 27, 2010 04:34
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Been taking a small break from production to warp a good portion of my music library and learn some DJ skills, and would like to share some tricks to get that done quickly and easily....
first of all, download MixMeister BPM Analyzer if you do not know the BPM of the tracks you want to warp.
Upon chucking your tracks into ableton, make sure that you have a track in a similar BPM/style that you know will mix well with the track you are going to warp.
Now, a couple of things have the potential to happen when ableton scans the track:
1) Ableton deduces the BPM properly, and auto-warps the track perfectly
2) Ableton deduces the BPM properly, but auto warps the track badly
3) Ableton deduces the BPM improperly, and auto warps the track badly
In case 1, simply do a quick bass swap in the beginning of the song and the end of the song, sounds good? Click save in your clip properties, move to next track
in case 2, the easiest way that I have found to getting a song warped quickly and properly is to find the first 4/4 kick drum, set a yellow warp marker at that spot and then right click and select 'warp x bpm from here' where x is your master tempo - make sure it is correct! After this step, go through the track at key points (every 16 to 32 bars) and check the grid lines to see if everything matches up. If it starts to slide out of time simply add a yellow warp marker every 16/32/64 bars on a kick drum. Also do a quick test bass swap at the beginning/middle/end just to make sure
in case 3, find the BPM of your track through the mixmeister, set your master tempo and find the first kick drum, yellow warp marker, warp x bpm from here.
Keep in mind that 99% of most psy out there is very formulaic in that the sections will be in multiples of 4....like a 16 bar intro, 64 bar phrase, etc. Looking at the waveform of most tracks you can usually see the breakdowns and organization right away. If the track you are attempting to warp slides noticeably out of time over the course of its length, you probably have the BPM off very slightly - avoid using a shitload of yellow warp markers - if you have more than a couple than it is usually an indication that you started out warping incorrectly.
Hope this helps anyone who gets occasionally frustrated with warping
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Colin OOOD
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Posted : Sep 28, 2010 00:00
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On 2010-09-27 04:34, willsanquil wrote:
in case 2, the easiest way that I have found to getting a song warped quickly and properly is to find the first 4/4 kick drum, set a yellow warp marker at that spot and then right click and select 'warp x bpm from here' where x is your master tempo - make sure it is correct! After this step, go through the track at key points (every 16 to 32 bars) and check the grid lines to see if everything matches up. If it starts to slide out of time simply add a yellow warp marker every 16/32/64 bars on a kick drum. Also do a quick test bass swap at the beginning/middle/end just to make sure
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Easier still, you can bear in mind that most music you'll be DJing will be produced on a system with an absolutely rigid timing clock - whatever BPM the track is at, the kicks will happen at absolutely regular intervals, and one single warp marker will be all you need.
What I do is set bar 1 to the first kick after the intro and 'Warp from here at <master tempo>'. Then I turn on the metronome and check quickly the sync between kick and click at various points in the track. If they drift, I go straight to the end of the tune and adjust things so that the last kick falls exactly on the beat division it should. Then I check again for click sync (in case the incorrect initial BPM meant that the last kick was more than a quarter-note out). Quick, efficient and easy. It also has the advantage that when you drag the start flag to the beginning of the intro, you get an easy readout of exactly how long the intro is, which can help when mixing.
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willsanquil
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Posted : Sep 28, 2010 00:40
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yeah most music released in the past 5 years or so is incredibly easy to warp - most of the time I only have one yellow warp marker at the beginning. Warping stuff from the mid to late 90s is fucking annoying though damn drifting midi! Usually have to add a yellow marker every 16/32 bars or so.
Any tips for warping non 4/4 chillout stuff? I tried to warp some bluetech tracks and without a kick or a program that can accurately measure the BPM I'm kind of wandering around in the dark. One thing I've had limited success with is to play the original track in a media player and check the play time, then drop the track into ableton and adjust the tempo until the length matches and go from there.
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dmtoad
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Posted : Oct 1, 2010 13:34
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Just found that using Ableton's 3 band EQ adds volume to my tracks. As they are already mastered, this makes the sound to saturate.
What EQ do you use for you live perfs ?
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Colin OOOD
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Posted : Oct 1, 2010 16:19
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willsanquil
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Posted : Oct 2, 2010 22:47
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DMtoad, are you aware that by default the maximum value of each band of EQ3 is +6 db? I noticed that too, my solution was to group the EQ3 into a rack and then assign each band to a macro, enter map mode and change the maximum value of each to 0, instead of +6.
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willsanquil
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Posted : Oct 4, 2010 04:31
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Pesky Fades!
Firstly, if you didn't already know, live has a Fader function that provides you a nice tool for crossfading between audio, you enable this by selecting Create > Show fades, or CTRL+ALT+F while you have the audio track in which you want the faders to appear is selected.
Secondly, and on to the real tip....if you hit CTRL+ALT+F again, those fuckers don't actually go away! Annoying. To make them actually go away, select the top drop down box underneath the name of your audio track - the one that currently has "Fades" in the box, and turn it to none.
Rather simple, but if it was annoying me for a long time and I didn't figure it out so I figure it may help someone
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dmtoad
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Posted : Oct 7, 2010 12:03
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Thanks for your answers guys.
An other question for you
For my "live set", I'd like to bounce separately (I use cubase 5) the kick/bass, and maybe percussions from the main track to be able assign them different effects in Ableton.
The thing is that I don't understand how to do this and keep the track at a mastered level.
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