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A question to all the DJanes about promotion.
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Posted : May 3, 2006 17:06
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On 2006-05-03 16:48, a3k wrote:
the psychedelic culture, isn´t about this - this is something else.
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Thank you 
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The Green Channel
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Posted : May 3, 2006 17:58
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On 2006-05-03 16:48, a3k wrote:
the psychedelic culture, isn´t about this - this is something else.
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Yes, however, the psy-trance scene has split from psychedelic culture long-ago (before, I even started using psychedelics).
Some festivals are tad different; nevertheless, generally, parties and festivals have very little in common with psychedelic culture, unfortunately! They provide the framework, but not the spirit; it’s more of an optical illusion, in many instances IMHO.
Many parties/festivals seem more like RANDOM drug frenzies, with little or know intent of learning, or evolving, by the gathered people. Thus, EGO flourishes (as it does in most human beings), again amplified by the use of cocaine and other illusions, tendencies which, previously were suppressed by the use of Mind-Expanding plants and acid (which is made from a plant source) - pharmacological asistence, if you will.
This phenomenon (EGO) also reflects upon this forum, with many users/artists/labels suffering from the following mental disturbances: chauvinism, homophobias, love of dollars, obsession with ideology (Full-on Vs. Progressive Etc.) Etc. Patterns all too familiar, from our everyday-life, yet, the psychedelic vision was something completely different.
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It’s a rather paradoxical matter, since,; psychedelic culture actually embraces sexuality, and sometimes advocates orgiastic styles of sexual expression, the problem with the latter mentioned flyer, is the commercialization and exploitation of sexuality.
 "Love is a way of life"
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Miss Yo-Yo
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Posted : May 3, 2006 18:23
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Flyer:
It’s a rather paradoxical matter, since,; psychedelic culture actually embraces sexuality, and sometimes advocates orgiastic styles of sexual expression, the problem with the latter mentioned flyer, is the commercialization and exploitation of sexuality.
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Here I completely shall agree with it, similar ideas this embodiment of marketing structure of partys, I think any organizer of party/fest always reflects about what or new ideas in the field of promotion.
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floatyhippyflower
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Posted : May 3, 2006 18:35
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On 2006-05-02 18:57, DETOX wrote:
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No some people can't but I'm not one of them. I just didn't find your comments very funny. Oh I knew you were joking love, but coming off the back of some of your rather choice - and apparently serious - opinions on the subject prior to your little LOL speil it was pretty clear that physical aesthetics play a part in how you perceive talent and content, which is something I can't respect personally. It only adds to the wider problems that have been discussed in this thread. (Please refer to your post on page 2.)
I know this is going to sound very unhippy of me and maybe even a little mean, but it's blokes like you (with that whole "men will be men, what's wrong with that?" attitude) and ladies who keep getting their tits out to promote something entirely unrelated to tits who make it that much more difficult for genuine, talented people to get the recognition they deserve. Simple as that.
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I am supposed to be many things my dear Detox, but at the end of the day I'm just a person with an opinion like anyone else.
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Posted : May 3, 2006 18:50
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On 2006-05-02 18:57, DETOX wrote:
I am supposed to be many things my dear Detox, but at the end of the day I'm just a person with an opinion like anyone else.
And you can call me Rina. It's easier to spell.
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Can I call you Soapytittyshower instead? |
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The Green Channel
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Posted : May 3, 2006 18:51
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On 2006-05-03 18:35, floatyhippyflower wrote:
I know this is going to sound very unhippy of me
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No, that's exactly what being a hippie is all about IMHO - Rejecting the dominator culture, which means; respecting and embracing the feminine and suppressing the masculine ego (which is the cause of the phenomenon you were referring to). Alpha males have organized the world to fit their desires and purposes.
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floatyhippyflower
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Posted : May 3, 2006 18:52
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@ Dazzler. You can call me anything you like pet, doesn't mean I'll answer you. |
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floatyhippyflower
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Posted : May 3, 2006 18:54
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On 2006-05-03 18:51, The Green Channel wrote:
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On 2006-05-03 18:35, floatyhippyflower wrote:
I know this is going to sound very unhippy of me
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No, that's exactly what being a hippie is all about IMHO, respecting and embracing the feminine and suppressing the male ego (which is the cause of the phenomenon you were referring to). Alpha males have organized the world to fit their desires and purposes.
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Actually I was referring more to my somewhat harsh tone, but point taken nonetheless. XX |
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Dazzler
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Posted : May 3, 2006 19:01
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On 2006-05-03 18:52, floatyhippyflower wrote:
@ Dazzler. You can call me anything you like pet, doesn't mean I'll answer you.
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but you just did
xx
anyway, I'm being facetious.
The great thing about the trance scene is that people aren't judged by their looks (which I suppose is why it makes me feel so welcome...)
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The Green Channel
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Posted : May 3, 2006 19:02
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Flyer:
It’s a rather paradoxical matter, since,; psychedelic culture actually embraces sexuality, and sometimes advocates orgiastic styles of sexual expression, the problem with the latter mentioned flyer, is the commercialization and exploitation of sexuality.
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Here I completely shall agree with it, similar ideas this embodiment of marketing structure of partys, I think any organizer of party/fest always reflects about what or new ideas in the field of promotion.
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What do you mean miss Yo YO ? I'm not sure I understand you...
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Miss Yo-Yo
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Posted : May 3, 2006 19:15
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floatyhippyflower
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Posted : May 3, 2006 19:26
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On 2006-05-03 18:52, floatyhippyflower wrote:
@ Dazzler. You can call me anything you like pet, doesn't mean I'll answer you.
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but you just did |
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But then you haven't actually called me Soapytittyshower yet have you? You only asked me if you could.
Anyway, I'm being pedantic.
Meanwhile, back on topic -
@ Green Channel; I think what Miss Yo Yo is trying to say is that the marketing style she and others have adopted with the whole bikini on flyers thing is meant to reflect the open attitude to sexuality that psychedelic culture promotes, is she not? |
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Posted : May 3, 2006 19:39
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On 2006-05-03 19:15, Miss Yo-Yo wrote:
I mean that have written...
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She is cute! 
I would just like to say that I agree with most comments here against the "sex" (even though I have a penis and it does alot of my thinking). And the ego speeches of Mr. Green. But I beg you all who reads it and agree with it. Do not confuse ego (which also can be a very good and healthy "thing") with selfishness. =) I know this is properly off topic and off brain. But I hope and believe most will agree that ego must not be confused with selfishness.
@Flowerhippiemothertrippylady :: No, it did get popular (we could write a book about this topic). I was actually thinking about this last night (wanting to give you a proper reply since I usually never give anyone a proper reply) But no. Sorry.
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Posted : May 3, 2006 20:28
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On 2006-05-03 17:58, The Green Channel
is the commercialization and exploitation of sexuality.
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Here I completely shall agree with it, similar ideas this embodiment of marketing structure of partys, I think any organizer of party/fest always reflects about what or new ideas in the field of promotion.
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Wait, you agree with him, yet I see you half naked and exploted on the flyer.
You may have skills, but you've lost the respect of many fellow female dj's/tranceheads that don't feel the need to see a chick get half naked on a flyer just to get booked.
Now rock on with your bad self  http://www.vaporvent.com
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The Green Channel
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Posted : May 4, 2006 00:45
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Thank you Rina, your assistance was needed, perhaps I smoked too many oily joints today, I wasn’t exactly sure, if I understood Yo Yo correctly, I hate misunderstandings. .
A few reflections:
I haven’t lived in Russia; therefore, I’m aware of the fact that promotion might be an essential key to the survival of the people involved in your local scene, Jo Jo .
Yet, promotion of that kind of sexuality degrades women and maintains the sexual inequity - created by; the dominator society - the alpha males - men over forty - masculine EGO (Keep in mind - some women are more affected by society then others, thus, some women will have a larger EGO, remember culture is merely clothing – yet; perceived to be real). It’s not that men hate women; it’s that they hate the feminine. I fully support feminine theories regarding international politics and McKenna’s “dominator society” metaphor.
Actually, I don’t think EGO is healthy in anyway, that’s not to say that it’s not necessary, in the present world - if one had absolutely no EGO - one wouldn’t know which mouth to feed. Important to notice, is the concept of zero EGO, the thought of a person being unable to think about himself prior to his fellow humans - the very notion of what humanness, was meant to mean IMHO. Nevertheless, it would be rather disturbing not to have any EGO, in our current cultural framework; People would lock you up and throw away the key, or if you’re lucky somebody will beat and, or shoot you.
The reason the dominator society is fearful of opposition, is because its agenda is so fragile, when confronted with reason, logic and love. Cannabis and psychedelics aren’t favoured, contra – Coffee, Alcohol, Tobacco, anti-depressants, Etc., which kill millions of people each year, while Entheogens and cannabis are virtually clear of deaths associated with their usage (don’t believe me check for yourself - http://www.entheology.org/edoto/anmviewer.asp?a=3&z=1) . Thus, cannabis and psychedelics aren’t illegal because they are dangerous, they are illegal since, they promote feminine values, advocate anti-material, anti capitalist agendas and deemphasise productivity.
"Love is a way of life"
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