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Sonica
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Posted : Oct 2, 2008 14:02:31
i know its not difficult to achieve..BUT i have heard tracks on ere that the stero field and imaging above the foundations (kick bass) are outof this world...surly it aint done by just tweaking L4 AND R4 or hard left etc etc. do u know wot i mean?,, that 3d scape and the abiltiy to do this to about 4 or 5 different sounds at once... and they all fit not conflicting! how just how lol.ive got most plugins but still no where near the brilliance of the wideneing of sounds that can be achieved and wot ive heard.-before mastering also.
your thoughts?
Medea
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Posted : Oct 2, 2008 14:11
Pan+reverb+eq+volume

Sounds that are far from you are:

1)Quiter
2)Have less high-frequencies
3)Have more reverb (you hear more reflected signal than direct)

Also, when you hear the sound that is located left from you, you not only hear it louder with left ear, also it comes to your left ear earlier and slightly eq'd in comparison to what you hear with the second ear.

Try think this way and play with these parameters.           http://soundcloud.com/aedem
Sonica
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Posted : Oct 2, 2008 14:52
cheers medea, i heard altiverb is a good one for space no?
Sonica
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Posted : Oct 2, 2008 15:32
how would u go about it then? fx channel send? group send? invert fader? 2 sub busses l and r? with a verb on each channel? or r the no rules aslong as it sounds good?
Nectarios
Martian Arts

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Posted : Oct 2, 2008 16:10
Putting some bread and butter reverbs on busses helps with the CPU as you can send any channel to that buss yet have only one reverb plug in. So for instance you open a couple of tight plates, a medium spring reverb and some exotic long reverb algorithm. So you have 4 reverb plug ins and you cover all your basic reverb instances for the whole track.
Another thing is long reverse reverbs on busses and sending one percussion hit, vox or synth note to create some nice and twisted background reverb textures in a striped down part of your arragnement.
One tip, try side-chaining the kick on long reverb algos n driving the compressor relatively hard for that fantastic vacuum reverb effect on long reverb tails everytime the kick drops. Been doing that on breakbeat and techno tunes for years. Sounds great in trance tunes as well.

Peace out.
          
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Nectarios
Martian Arts

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Posted : Oct 2, 2008 16:31
Locating sounds has to do with timing and the effect of the masking your own face has on the relative spectrum that arrives on your right ear (speaking for a sound source that is located on the left). Then you must also consider that for a sound that is coming from the left, the direct sound will be stronger in the left ear and you'll get relatively stronger early reflections hitting your right ear, not because they are actually "louder" but simply because you perceive them that way (depending on room size, shape and material). The decay tail sounds like its coming from pretty much everywhere as the reflections fill the room. This effect is easier to understand using short sounds with loud transients.

Peace out.          
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Sonica
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Posted : Oct 2, 2008 17:12
nice one mate.. like the sidechaning tip wid verb tail. mono compatibiltiy tho, i mean mono fx send or stero sidechain verb on mono kick send?
Djones
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Posted : Oct 2, 2008 18:07
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On 2008-10-02 16:10, pipe&slippers wrote:
Putting some bread and butter reverbs on busses helps with the CPU as you can send any channel to that buss yet have only one reverb plug in. So for instance you open a couple of tight plates, a medium spring reverb and some exotic long reverb algorithm. So you have 4 reverb plug ins and you cover all your basic reverb instances for the whole track.
Another thing is long reverse reverbs on busses and sending one percussion hit, vox or synth note to create some nice and twisted background reverb textures in a striped down part of your arragnement.
One tip, try side-chaining the kick on long reverb algos n driving the compressor relatively hard for that fantastic vacuum reverb effect on long reverb tails everytime the kick drops. Been doing that on breakbeat and techno tunes for years. Sounds great in trance tunes as well.

Peace out.




You have an audio example?
Just to be sure I understand what you mean.
Nectarios
Martian Arts

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Posted : Oct 2, 2008 20:22
http://www.myspace.com/discohooligans (the trance stuff)
http://www.myspace.com/nectunes (the techno stuff were this is more obvious on the deep mix of Glowing Red)
Or do a search on "nectarios" on beatport or got to http://www.streetwisemusic.co.uk/index.php?searchStr=nectarios&_a=viewCat&Submit=Search to hear some of my older records where you can hear the sidechaining thing all over the place.
Some people like the pumping background, some hate it. Its a matter of taste I guess.
          
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Nectarios
Martian Arts

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Posted : Oct 2, 2008 20:39
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On 2008-10-02 17:12, Sonica wrote:
nice one mate.. like the sidechaning tip wid verb tail. mono compatibiltiy tho, i mean mono fx send or stero sidechain verb on mono kick send?


I route the kick's output on a buss. then simply use that buss for sidechain input on whatever I wanna drop the level on every kick trigger.
          
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gutter
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Posted : Oct 3, 2008 10:17
hey pipes&slippers what a nice sound you got there in "clear skies" man,, that "logicbomb" metallic hollow sound always kick asses
nice tunes
im waiting for a party of discohooloigans downtown athens to come
the daleks
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Posted : Oct 3, 2008 12:31
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On 2008-10-02 16:10, pipe&slippers wrote:

One tip, try side-chaining the kick on long reverb algos n driving the compressor relatively hard for that fantastic vacuum reverb effect on long reverb tails everytime the kick drops. Been doing that on breakbeat and techno tunes for years. Sounds great in trance tunes as well.




interesting idea - can you explain that a little more? like sidechain to what? great tunes by the way!           Gamma Riders EP out now on iTunes and Amazon.com!

The Daleks : www.myspace.com/thedaleksupreme
A-Boys : www.myspace.com/akibaboys
Nectarios
Martian Arts

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Posted : Oct 3, 2008 13:26
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On 2008-10-03 12:31, the daleks wrote:
Quote:

On 2008-10-02 16:10, pipe&slippers wrote:

One tip, try side-chaining the kick on long reverb algos n driving the compressor relatively hard for that fantastic vacuum reverb effect on long reverb tails everytime the kick drops. Been doing that on breakbeat and techno tunes for years. Sounds great in trance tunes as well.




interesting idea - can you explain that a little more? like sidechain to what? great tunes by the way!



Say you have a long reverb on buss4, your signal chain for a basic reverb send, would be reverb-->EQ-->compressor.
Then you'd select the kick drum as the sidechain input for that compressor and drop the gain of the reverb tail on every kick trigger.
Simple as that.
Thanks for kind words people
          
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Nectarios
Martian Arts

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Posted : Oct 3, 2008 14:03
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On 2008-10-03 10:17, gutter wrote:
hey pipes&slippers what a nice sound you got there in "clear skies" man,, that "logicbomb" metallic hollow sound always kick asses
nice tunes
im waiting for a party of discohooloigans downtown athens to come



Thanks mate. We started making trance tunes relatively recently and we are putting the finishing touches on our first LP. Sorting out a "decks and FX" (I prefer that term as it is more honest than sayin "live") set on Jordan's new Macbook so hopefully we'll sort something out.
Jordan is supposed to play a DJ set soon anyway.

Peace out.
          
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Sonica
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Posted : Oct 3, 2008 15:46
very fukin nice love yor track clear skies. best reverbs? wizoo or altiverb?
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