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a mother of all panning thread?

Sonica
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Posted : Oct 3, 2008 15:47
sound like a virus ti phaser to lol
gutter
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Posted : Oct 3, 2008 16:12
for reverbs (and if you can afford to pay some money) powercore from tc electronics kick asses ,, has got some very nice natural reverb algorithms,ClassicVerb,MegaVerb etc,, if you can find a cheap used dsp card , its good investment to use it only for reverbs & save some CPU also
Nectarios
Martian Arts

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Posted : Oct 3, 2008 17:42
Logic's Space Designer is my go to reverb. Sounds fucking lush and the programmability beats the crap outta my old Lexicon MPX-1 and Eventide Eclipse I used to have in my old studio.
No Virus ti anywhere in my music. I had a Virus B and barely used it. Not a fan of the Virus sound, although I know the ti sounds different. But there are a lot more things I can think of buying before splashing out all that dough on the new Virus. I would choose a Nord Modular G2 over the TI anyday if I was out looking for a VA.
          
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Sonica
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Posted : Oct 3, 2008 20:31
havnt had the oppitunity to use the modular so i wouldnt know. TI is fine for me
Nectarios
Martian Arts

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Posted : Oct 3, 2008 21:08
And it should. Don't get me wrong, just because I am not a fan of the sound does not make it any less of a great all around synth.           
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icedice
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Posted : Feb 11, 2009 11:34
Ok, I was told that all questions about panning shuld go here. So here we go.
I'm currenty at a point where I am not all noob anymore, but certanly not a pro.
One problem I have is that my tracks often sounds flat and a bit muddy, and when i listen to tracks from my favorite artists (IM, Dark soho, SynSUN and so on) and compare them to my own tracks it seems that one of the places i really suck is when it comes to panning. I really dont get it, so what I do is often random.
How to set up a basic mix? I guess that kick and bassline is allways mono (or centered)..
Do you pan the snare? hats? leads? and how much?
Offcause there is no solution to this, but maybe someone can guide me in the right direction...

Thanx..
orbit
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Posted : Feb 11, 2009 12:16
^^^^ hey mate why dont you try layering heaps of sounds with different degrees of panning. this is very clinical but just a suggestion, is grab a few arps with some nice rhythms happening now pan say on 100% left another 100% right another 50% left, 50%,25% centre, you get my point now just sit back and listen how freakin wicked that sounds just there

on the subject of reverbs i like the sony oxford. works particularly well on percussion

warlock
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Posted : Jun 3, 2009 19:26
hi guys...
not many pages on this thread or even on the mixing thread for that matter...the otherss overflowing tho.... anyways..
ive understood what orbit has said...and alota ppl here talkin bout reverb.....,but i guess the basic question here is stereo imaging n whats the basic step to getting what u want...n thats what sonica, icedice n of course myself want to know...ive seen professional videos on stereo imaging but done with music other than psy....n tho i have learnt a little i still dont get the acttual deal.... one of the best stereo image mixes ive heard would be Gidra/Access Gremlin.... n of course my favourtite artist in all aspects of Psy-Trance - Terranoise.... their stereo imaging is simply mindblowing.... ull have sounds flying all over place ....n that definately goes beyond basic eq, pan and volume controls... or maybe they use all the above n nothing else,,but do it differently....like they have some speacial tricks....i dunno maybe automation or something.... whatever it is it kicks ass n thats the its supposed to be n id love to know how its done....maybe the best way to explain it all would be audio examples with tutorials .... So if anybody out there could take an initiative it would be really helpful...of course i also understand the aspect that everybody does things in theris own way n blah blah blah....but what ever happened to the basics......n what do they teach in them damn expensive audio engineering schools..lol....jus kidding...but if some coukld pleeeez share us the basic n tricks i think were sorted mate n ys also plezz consider that whoever reads the tutorial would already have a good pair of monitors n maynot have the best room acoustics but is aware of the reflection present in the room n is able to overcome it...
Also if icedices quest can be answered about hihats,snare,etc would be cool...again we ll know that u can play around n keep panning the hihts from left to right to sound mad n everyone has their own methods n bla bla bla is that what they say in them schools.... but jus to add a lil...some engineers say imagining the drum set is in front of u n placing the samples in same exact manner works...'sometimes' like say the kick in middle..snare a lil to the right n so on...

so ppl can we have some tricks here on the stereo imaging Faktor


Cheers
jizy
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Posted : Jun 3, 2009 22:30
erm here it comes here it comes lol M/S M/S M/S M/S M/S
-=Mandari=-
Mandari

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Posted : Jun 6, 2009 12:05
no special plugz, no special knowledge...... but itīs all about that =D=D

knowledge. as mentioned above yesss, itīs about imaging, but that goes hand in hand with letīs say room processing. and thatīs done by exactly the stuff told before. reverbs, eqīs, compression (i only use it for changing the appearance of the sound), panning, m/s....etc.

btw. i like to do same way pipe&slippers told us before. put nice reverb plugin on few bus/return whatever with different settings for reflection and u got stunning resaults in placing the sound. just use different send settings for each sound and different reverb settings on each bus/return whatever =D=D

but now as i thought about the same few month ago and read heaps of stuff about, i have to say it seems perfect to me get used by all of the possibilitys. and there u got the stuff youīre looking for. i now first place my sounds slightly like i prefer with slight eq and compression maybe if needed. after i go for stereo imaging with some nice plug like the flux stereo tool. after i pan the sound the direction i want. and if everytings nice i go for the space for the sound with some nice reverb (bus/return)if needed..... usually m/s is not needed anymore... =D

m/s is really nice option, but think itīs mostly good to fix a problem. but i like to use this for splitting all sounds in three or four spaces again. something u hear relatively often in psy masterings. or i heared, donno =D=D
dont get me wrong, i love m/s too, but itīs something u can make goodies to real brilliant or fuck up everything.

to get sounds really flying around and just weired spaces u just have to spread the stereo image that much

i love to use crazy phase shift fx stereo spreaded to the max.

at the end itīs like everything in electronic music......

about tweaking. =D

noob opinion, cheers
-=Mandari=-
Mandari

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Posted : Jun 6, 2009 12:15
Quote:

On 2009-02-11 11:34, icedice wrote:
Ok, I was told that all questions about panning shuld go here. So here we go.
I'm currenty at a point where I am not all noob anymore, but certanly not a pro.
One problem I have is that my tracks often sounds flat and a bit muddy, and when i listen to tracks from my favorite artists (IM, Dark soho, SynSUN and so on) and compare them to my own tracks it seems that one of the places i really suck is when it comes to panning. I really dont get it, so what I do is often random.
How to set up a basic mix? I guess that kick and bassline is allways mono (or centered)..
Do you pan the snare? hats? leads? and how much?
Offcause there is no solution to this, but maybe someone can guide me in the right direction...

Thanx..




itīs pretty simple, u got these spaces/options: left/right (stereo) and mid/side (m/s).

USE THEM!!! there are no rules, try everything. there are heaps of people out there telling u this and that but mostly itīs opinion and choice of the mind behind.

so think about the very simple beginning, what spaces are there to fill

i will not give any advice than just giving each sound itīs own space. the more u can seperate them, the more clean will your track appear. and sure the more space is there for more sounds.

want to say this bass in really mono as much as possible is all thing what u prefer. no one says itīs not good to have stereo bass. try maybe stereo bass and put it back to mid with some plugin. try everything youīre thinking about.

maybe the easiest way at the beginning is to imagine a band or orchestra u have to arrange in itīs spaces. so youīre the master, tell the snare/hatz where to go, tell the leads where to go and so on.

itīs your choice which sound should play with the kick/bass in the mid or which are spreaded to stereoor .....whatever. know what i mean?

cheers
koreannn

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Posted : May 6, 2011 22:12
what vst you recommend in 2011 for panning?
mudpeople
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Posted : Jun 5, 2011 01:23
Bootsy Rescue AE.

Replaced stereo expanders entirely in my work.

Alternately for a good intro to mid-side try Voxengo MSED, its stupid easy.           .
wayak
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Posted : Jun 5, 2011 18:34
automating the curves for vol and pan are very important, to get the feeling sounds are coming very fast, or slow.... or slow at first and very fast at the end, etc... without the curves no matter what reverb or eq you wont get that impresive panning, and it applys to anything you automate
sidra
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Posted : Sep 16, 2011 19:00
I see people saying that its a good idea to take your instrument and pan it 100% left, and then another and pan it 100% , or other variations of the %. Does this mean you are making duplicates of the track, so you have two identical tracks and then pan those to different L or R%, or just the single track panned to a different area? It makes more sense to me that you would have two identical tracks panned to different positions to create the stereo wideness, but I don't really understand panning yet.
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