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YSE - Releasing tracks without permission
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jyxx
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Posted : Jul 16, 2007 17:10
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i don't get it either
so is it normal nowadays that being a psytrance producer when you occasionally find your own tracks released at other compilations without your permission, you should call by voice to that company, find the "proper" guy and ask him for money?
boycott the bastards and sue them
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alexanderligowski
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Posted : Jul 18, 2007 13:13
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hello folks,
i´m reading your stuff with great interest. so here comes the answer from yse.
all tracks are legally licensed from the labels. we do no bootleg. i know that sometimes wrong tracklists are published, but these are not the final tracklists of the finished product.
we licensed a lot of suncontrolspecies tracks from iboga records and midijum records for example. so before you go mad ask your label or have a look to the finished product if your track really has been used.
i know that most of the people here are new to the scene, so if you have any further questions don´t hesitate to contact me!
best
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Avi Yossef
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Posted : Jul 18, 2007 13:33
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YSE/Millennium works with BNE for many years, they license tracks from us on a monthly basis.
I want to point out that they always pay their advances, sometimes payments are a bit late but nevertheless they always pay, they send royalty reports and basically work quite efficient.
Before you bash at this company and post stupid things like "let's get rid of them" don't forget that these days there only few companies left that license tracks...while the rest of the labels release its own artists productions, so YSE's compilations seems as a good solid platform for further exposure.
www.bne.co.il
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Aschratte
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Posted : Jul 18, 2007 13:47
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I have worked together with Millenium/YSE quite often and constant and never had problems getting my money, wether for tracks nor for artworks. All my questions where answered directly and at all i can say that there is no label i worked together with which left a more professional mark then these guys. My 2 cents. |
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Magox
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Posted : Jul 18, 2007 14:03
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There have been 33 posts in 13 days, and now suddenly there are three posts within 35 minutes supporting YSE....
hmmm sounds a lil fishy
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alexanderligowski
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Posted : Jul 18, 2007 14:07
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@magox
i just saw the topic! and of course you get reactions from our side for such bullshit.
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Prahlad
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Posted : Jul 18, 2007 14:09
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Im just about to release my debut CD with YSE and trust me when I say I had all contracts I was offered checked to the max by music lawyers, without a joke I dealt with about 6 labels, and after discussing a few niggles I made a fair deal with YSE.
They have paid my album advance, my sublicensing advances as well as graphics invoices etc on time and without hassles. I think there are a few misunderstandings as how a track gets typically sublicensed, so hope I can shed some light on the situation for what seem to be pretty pissed off ppl out there:
-If you license your track to another label and they have a "third party license" clause included that means they can legally re-sublicense your track to, for example YSE, without going through you. Youve given them permission to do this the second you signed the original contract... Read and understand your contracts before you sign them. Ussually the split for this is 50/50 and really it helps you and the label. You should invoice the label you originally licensed the track to, they will invoice for example YSE.
-While were on the topic of invoicing, I dont know of any company today that will pay up anything if you dont invoice them. Write an invoice with your full name, address, contact details, compilation name and track title, tax number etc and email it to whoever you want to pay you. Dont be surprised if someone doesnt answer your mails about payment if you havent even invoiced them....these are companies that have other things to do than explain your business to you.
-Finally if you dont get paid in time or dont receive sales statements call the company and let them know you are aware what your rights are (you are arent you?) and that they pls be so kind as to fulfil their part of the deal ASAP.
Just my two cents, so far Ive worked like this and have received EVERY payment with every label Ive done business with, and yes that includes YSE 
Good luck, feel free to PM me if you need a tip on something.
Greetz
Prahlad
www.inspired-sound.com
www.myspace.com/djprahlad
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djbim
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Posted : Jul 18, 2007 16:17
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Nice Words here ! |
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djbim
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Posted : Jul 18, 2007 16:26
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Good Morning this is Bim and i think i have to tell you also something.
I am working with Yse since i dont know and we gave them the right for around more than 100 !!!Tracks to release it again.
Never we had problems with this company .
Sure sometimes the payment has delay or the contracts are comming late but it will be comming.
But i learned in this bussi that the most ppl dont understand that they have to sent a legal Invoice
to get money with all details like bankaccout and and and.And it will be great when the ppl sent the signed contracts back.?
We all know that the Cd Márket is this moment nearly dead and the cd burning and illegal sever in this world kill everything.Special the Dj file shearing is the last stone for the most of Label.
All Label has to be intrested to deal with sub lisence about here comes a good Money back to keep us up.So the most Contracts with Artist are close on one shoot -than they give all rights away for ever or the get a royaltie contract
so now dear Producer/Labelowner again and again this is what it mean.
1You get a Advance for your Track-maybe 250 Euro
2.You get from every sold Cd around 16 % from the price per dealer (11.04 Euro) and you have to share this against the Artist on the Compilation
When you have 9 Artist you get around.
11.04 :100X16:9=0,19 Euro from every sold cd
So the label sell around 500 cd that means that you get ?right 98,13 €uro.
Than the label sell the track one time to millennium
the label get around maybe 100-150€ from yse
From this the Artist get 50-75 €-understand ?
So 250€-98,13-75=rest of 76,87 overpayed-be happy !!The label gave you to much money
I did around 20-30 (dont know) Compilation for YSE-I lisencsed Track from Hommega,Bne,Trancelunar,BlueTune,Spintwist,Compact,Moonstone,Headroom andnad and i get never a Massage from one Label that they dont get the money or that something is going wrong
So maybe the mistake is not on Yse side ?
Did you sign the Contract and Fax it back ?
Did you sent a invoice with your V.A.T number and all details like bank-complete-address-and your private address?Did you checked the final cd if its sure that your track is on it ?
When you can say yes to everything than contact Alex and i am sure you get your money.
All Artist can be happy to be a again on a YSE Compilation-There is no other Company with a Distribution like this.Every Yse Compilation is again a big Promotion for you and a way to keep your homelabel up.
And Magox whats fishi ? Every story has two sides and you can be sure that the ppl has to see the other side.Its normal when some ppl telling bad against other that the time is comming that you got a other answer late but ......
Dont play with stones when you are sitting in a Glasshouse or did you pay all you bills and invoices in Time ?
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tv@oxygen
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Posted : Jul 18, 2007 16:49
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What i want to say is that its really nice to see that there are defendive comments on YSE. Of course its at least small help if you can licence tracks somewhere else. But the problem here is communication.
If u send 10 emails to YSE representative and u have NO answer then you cant think anythink positive-sorry about that.
If you have to call the representative yourself 4 times and he is not able to tell you anything concrete or come back to you back by himself then you cant think about the company anything positive even more.
As i said before, we released several tracks on YSE, basicly without any problems(i dont wanna mention that we asked for the original cds, so the artists can have them, if theyr track is on it)Problems started with the last licension and due to profesional behaviour of Michael Harper everything has been quickly solved. But if we wouldnt investigate ourselves iam doubt it would.
And BIM, i bet you are a personal friend of Alexander (or at least you know him personly) and that changes the things quite rapidly.
Anyway i guess that YSE wont license anything from us again:), but the problem there is lack of comunication from YSE side. (in our case of course!)
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djbim
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Posted : Jul 18, 2007 18:14
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Yes thats right Alex is one of my last friends in my life.But this has nothing to do with my work for millennium !!!.Sometimes i got also no contract and find my tracks on a compilation-maybe 1-2 each year.
Maybe the contracts are lost in the net,maybe i delete it as spam-100-200 each day.But you know i am not angry than about that make my day.
I sent a mail-sometimes2-and say thanks nice one please sent me contracts here is my invoice-money rules better late than no lisencing .Also my payments has delay but this a chainreaction about also millennium get money to from other distribution and when they dont pay in time ...
And you are right there are some communication problems but i can tell you that these will be done in the next weeks about millennium has a new Labelheat and Ben goes in the secound line to do other things.So these new heat will do the best that everything will be done in a normal way-
And i am still waiting for some mail from other Labels and distribution since weeks.
I think Brain from Arab needs sometimes a week for a answer on my mail-about i am not alone on this planet and there are lot of other mail to handel
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mikadho
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Posted : Jul 21, 2007 03:06
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i have released 7 compilations on YSE so far...
i know that there is a bit delay sometimes. but i always felt responsible for the tracks i have released and everyone was payed.
all other things are answered from Bim, Alex + Prahlad.
alex is a very nice guy, who is a bit too busy sometimes but i know from my own experiences that everything worked in the end. so i´m still happy to work with these guys.
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Magox
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Posted : Jul 21, 2007 18:16
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It's unfortunate that people feel the need to publicly air out their issues with you, but I suppose they had no other alternative due to the lack of communication that was displayed. And it obviously is not just in one particular case, it seems to happen some what often, which now makes it a reoccuring issue, as opposed to a rare occurence.
If YSE would of stayed in contact with the people that provide the lifeline of the company, I'm sure this would of never have gotten to where it is.
I don't believe it is OK to say that you are so busy that you can't at least answer just a few simple emails by the artists that you are contracting.
That to me shows a blatent disregard for the people that you are working with.
If you don't have time, MAKE TIME for them!! because without them, you are nothing.
What ever criticism that you are recieving is well justified and you have to be prepared to live with the consequences of the decisions that you make. In this case here, your character is at issue, and you deserve to recieve what ever defamation that is being handed to you.
Nobody doubts that your business is easy, and i believe everyone understands that their will be delay's in payments and etc., but when there is a lack of communication between two parties in a business transaction, and one owe's the other, and the other person is being kept out of the loop, it is only natural that things will transgress to where it has gotten to, and rightfully so.
Maybe next time, YSE will be a little more conscience of the people that make their company go, and things won't have to get to where they have gotten. If not, I'm sure we'll hear of it again. Until then, as far as I'm concerned, I won't support their label by making any more purchases of their compilations that they produce.
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cytopia
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Posted : Jul 22, 2007 13:26
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Cytopia.org licensed 3 tracks to YSE and all was good. The advance was paid on time -and the amount of the advance was really decent considering that the tracks were NON exclusively licensed to YSE i.e. we retained the right to release or license elsewhere.
We would be more than happy to work with YSE again.
Sander
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Posted : Jul 22, 2007 19:20
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