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Nectarios
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Posted : Apr 24, 2013 16:24
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I tinkered over the option of getting a hardware EQ to high pass the subs, but the ones that have an elaborate HPF section, are far too expensive.
 
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Geom3
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Posted : Apr 24, 2013 16:37
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nuthins gunna b perfect....atleast not yet 
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PoM
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Posted : Apr 24, 2013 16:49
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ozone 5 eq have same thing as lp10, you can adjust the phase and a few hp algo.
you can also see group delay and phase delay..a 24 db lp at 50 hz add phase delay till at leat 10 khz.. anyway it s useless info for sound but i found it intresting and suprising
didn t test it yet vs other eq for low cut, but did a quick test on my cans and the funny things..cans are totally uselss for testing this, no ringing, no delay/phase shift.. might try on a other one to see if it s specific to headphone in general. |
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PoM
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Posted : Apr 24, 2013 17:30
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nah it s cause i was using too complex material that i didnt hear it on cans..also cause the cut were of a high quality it seems....ideally to test Hp is really on the bassline next to a kick to hear the artifacts that can be based on the time domain/transients ect... my technical terme are probably totally off.. but i udnerstand myself.. 
mix of lp is intresting , with just a litte of pre riging it s not much earable and may sound lil better in the time domain, pick your poison like always.. |
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Babaluma
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Posted : Apr 24, 2013 18:18
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PoM
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Posted : Apr 24, 2013 18:31
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On 2013-04-24 16:24, Nectarios wrote:
I tinkered over the option of getting a hardware EQ to high pass the subs, but the ones that have an elaborate HPF section, are far too expensive.
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with hardware what i like is a big shelv to cut , and then boost just the right area for tundhering low end ,ultra tight and full when it work,(kinda stuff a la pultec) can feel like the speaker cone gonna fly if boost too much..never hear this from softwar, i think one reason it s cause of transformer that add harmonics in the low, it add a kind of fullness but it s still quite subble and detailed..transformers also add group delay if i m right, that soften transients slighty that not always welcom.. for cleanest hp , the analog eq would need to be transformless i think.. making it sound very close to software probably...dunno no idea..probably way more complex than this..
but yeah for good hp and flexible with analog eq probably cost a fortune.. |
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Nectarios
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Posted : Apr 24, 2013 19:17
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Yes, and you could simply get phat synths and kicks to start with and avoid having to pay a fortune to cut and boost the low end.
P.S. The only track where I boosted the low end of a bassline, was Halt Prodcution remix that I used the x0xb0x for. And that is because the 303 it self, was not a very phat sounding synth.
I NEVER boost the bottom end on any kicks I make, or on any other synths I use for basslines.
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PoM
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Posted : Apr 24, 2013 19:42
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but what i like is too boost the low end is to get coloration, not cause of lack of low ,pultec trick can be great even with soft ,i can do the same in the highs,cut everyhting and reboost just to get some silk..but yeah probably not really needed.. jsut sometimes i like what it add i need to experiment more with this but it seems comon technic to get more coloration .
even colored eq like api 550a can be rather clean i find when used on a single sound but when boosting it can bring the smile but yeah not much sound need high boost and it s sad cause i love boosting so i have to cut them and reboost them i also love compressing crazy amount to get more color..but i almost never need it but it s similar reason to get more color.. |
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PoM
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Posted : Apr 24, 2013 20:15
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something i need to experiment is to use a decaying kick similar to 808 decay..this it s possible to have a big boost to get more meat.. then the decaying stage would play maybe around -40-50 db under the bassline just to add some meat.. could work great i think specially for more phat technoish sound.. why all psy kick are almost full sustained , it may work very well with long decaying kicks..might sound too techno maybe or bassline might cause problem.. |
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Babaluma
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Posted : Apr 24, 2013 21:13
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Xetni
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Posted : Apr 24, 2013 21:39
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On 2013-04-24 20:15, PoM wrote:
something i need to experiment is to use a decaying kick similar to 808 decay..this it s possible to have a big boost to get more meat.. then the decaying stage would play maybe around -40-50 db under the bassline just to add some meat.. could work great i think specially for more phat technoish sound.. why all psy kick are almost full sustained , it may work very well with long decaying kicks..might sound too techno maybe or bassline might cause problem..
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Hm what do you mean by full sustained, I found that it's hard to use a kick much longer than 1/16 without sidechain as it clashes with the bass, usually when I make a kick in Sytrus it is max 120 ms (@~145 bpm) long just to slide into the bassnote.
It might be cool to try though if you can hear the sub decay that low , for me it would be difficult to know if it works cause I use headphones.
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PoM
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Posted : Apr 24, 2013 21:45
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On 2013-04-24 21:13, Babaluma wrote:
my bax is transformerless, but the combination of the HPF and the low shelf can do truly wonderful things to the bass.
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the hpf seems to be really something on the bax ,how you completly satisfied with this eq ? it s more aimed at mastering no? |
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PoM
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Posted : Apr 24, 2013 21:52
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On 2013-04-24 21:39, Xetni wrote:
Hm what do you mean by full sustained, I found that it's hard to use a kick much longer than 1/16 without sidechain as it clashes with the bass, usually when I make a kick in Sytrus it is max 120 ms (@~145 bpm) long just to slide into the bassnote.
It might be cool to try though if you can hear the sub decay that low , for me it would be difficult to know if it works cause I use headphones.
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with sutained i mean kick that have very little decay time, like it s comon,often it s just cause of very little compression with medium attack time there is a small decay time i guess.. with drum machine kicks are often decaying/release after maybe 20/30 ms so when it hit the bassline it s so low that it don t make any problem like in lot of techno..
one avantage it can let you use higher bass line note and still have massive sound ,thought it s not really needed i guess.. ,it could be just asking for more hassle but for something different it could open some door. |
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Xetni
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Posted : Apr 24, 2013 22:56
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I made a quick loop, you mean something like this?
http://www26.zippyshare.com/v/46455745/file.html
Zippyshare player sounds crap though...I need to get a soundcloud.
Didn't spend a lot of time with it so it sounds a bit off, but it can probably work, I think. when mixed properly. |
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PoM
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Posted : Apr 25, 2013 00:42
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yeah that kind of stuff or KbBB with low bassline and first note low in volume with a phat kick ... that kind of stuff .
too much low end in the bass is not necarry good on large woofers..kinda more the opposite sometimes.. imo , a higher tight bass that really cut can be more punchy sometimes .. but everyhting can work in the end.. other avantage is that your kick could really move the woofer and not so much the bassline ..resulting in more dynamic, phatter sound if it work well.
really nice, i like your sample personnaly..just listening on headhpones right now but feel like it have good potential.. it s taste but that want to make me move..
feel like your kick could be phatter , more massive,..it need to take more space down there i feel, maybe louder... with fine tuning everyhting it could sound really good to me..and a bit different..
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