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Fragletrollet
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Posted : Oct 13, 2006 15:56
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Im 18, and I attend parties and festivals hehe  I really dont think that age really has that much to say about maturity. Ive met people in the 40's who could have been 14, and 16'agers who could have been 30... |
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Kane
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Posted : Oct 14, 2006 21:29
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i go to parties..lol |
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Krell
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Posted : Oct 14, 2006 22:35
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On 2006-10-13 15:56, Fragletrollet wrote:
Im 18, and I attend parties and festivals hehe I really dont think that age really has that much to say about maturity. Ive met people in the 40's who could have been 14, and 16'agers who could have been 30...
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Sorry, but thats complete bullshit.
Because you met people, who brake the norm, doesnt mean that the norm is non existant.
There are facts here in live, some of those relate to the human brain and its evolution + the effect of experience.
For instance, "common sense", is first completely developed when you are around 25 years old.
- Krell
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TiMMY
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Posted : Oct 14, 2006 22:35
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You have some nice live music, Tom
I'm 20, started going to parties four years ago.
I've been harassed a few times in the enterence to parties, and that really sucks.
True trance parties should not be age limited.
Age limits are for normal nights clubs. |
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TiMMY
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Posted : Oct 14, 2006 22:38
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On 2006-10-14 22:35, Krell wrote:
For instance, "common sense", is first completely developed when you are around 25 years old.
- Krell
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And if you're 16, and you already developed the so-called "common-sense", don't you deserve to get in? |
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Krell
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Posted : Oct 14, 2006 22:56
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On 2006-10-14 22:38, TiMMY wrote:
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On 2006-10-14 22:35, Krell wrote:
For instance, "common sense", is first completely developed when you are around 25 years old.
- Krell
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And if you're 16, and you already developed the so-called "common-sense", don't you deserve to get in?
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I started going to parties when I was 15. However, I didnt count on getting in, and I didnt think I "deserved" to be there, I just wanted it, so I did it.
I understood that there were reasons to why there were age limits. Then again, I had my reasons for sneaking in anyways
The thing is, when you have a liquor license, then you need to make sure you dont serve alcohol and the likes to kids who are not old enough.
Also, there is the item of the "concerned parent". If you have their kids running around in a, lets face it, drug infested party environment, then the parents are gonna get worried and eventually call the cops or make sure the parties dont get permits anymore.
For me, the main thing for people to "deserve" to get in, is that they want to participate in the event in a positive manner and are able to do so. Thats it.
However, there are more considerations for an organizer. Security being one of them, and a bunch of kids running around at an event, unchecked, is simply a security hazard.
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TiMMY
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Posted : Oct 14, 2006 23:06
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On 2006-10-14 22:56, Krell wrote:
For me, the main thing for people to "deserve" to get in, is that they want to participate in the event in a positive manner and are able to do so. Thats it.
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On that we agree.
However, you look at things from a diffrent angle. I must say that you are taking it from a more practical point of view.
But...
I don't care if a party has an alcohol bar or not: It should be music 100%.
Which means everybody should be allowed to enjoy the music, and because trance doesn't require "special" intelligence to understand, only feelings, then everybody is eligable to enjoy it.
About drugs, you can find 'em anywhere nowdays. If you go to such a party without consolting your parents, it's your problem.... not anyone else's. |
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Magox
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Posted : Oct 14, 2006 23:11
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as long as you bring your smiles with you......
and you act responsably.....
i dont see a problem with who goes or not.......
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Krell
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Posted : Oct 15, 2006 00:06
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On 2006-10-14 23:06, TiMMY wrote:
About drugs, you can find 'em anywhere nowdays. If you go to such a party without consolting your parents, it's your problem.... not anyone else's.
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But thats just it, it IS everyone elses problem.
We live in a real world, with real problems and real people.
Sure, in principle, people should not be excluded from a culture due to age, and that is also not what Im suggesting.
Rules and morals in "normal" society are there for a reason, often a preventive one. Just because our culture is "psychedelic" by definition it doesnt mean that rules and morals are turned inside out.
Its a matter of being responsible, both as an organizer, but also on a whole as a culture.
If we are not responsible, the rest of society will not allow us to have what we have. Its really so simple, and anyways, who is to say it is wrong to exclude people under a certain age from a security standpoint?
I think, in the end, its very much up to the event and the people to decide. Having a group of 12 year olds run around at a festival, without any supervision, thats just wrong.
We are just humans, like everybody else, and as such we are subject to the same flaws, rules and laws as everyone else. We are no better than the rest, and the limitations of society are there for a reason - this cannot be ignored.
Will it keep young people from going to parties ? No ! Not in our culture, and not in the mainstream culture either.
Your point about drugs being everywhere is wrong. You are overstating the facts. Facts are, if I go to a mainstream location, I wont get offered any drugs. While standing outside my tent for a few hours, at for instance the VooV Experience Festival, will land me several offers for mdma, lsd or mushrooms.
Why are the age limits there ? Because people of very young age are too easily tempted and manipulated into doing things which are just plain stupid.
The younger you are, the less common sense you have, as well as experience in life. That lands you into trouble, sometimes serious trouble.
Trance parties are the ONLY events I have seen people die at, and I think its more serious business than what many people would have others believe it is.
They can bring parents or a guardian - Something to ensure they have sane adults to back them up there, then its ok with me. Otherwise, I prefer people wait untill they are older and respect age limits.
There are more important things to life than partying.
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psytheriatsunami
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Posted : Oct 15, 2006 04:19
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IS NOT THE AGE (PHISICAL ENERGY)
IT IS THE IT IS THE ATTITUDE (SPIRITUAL ENERGY) |
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acidonacid
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Posted : Oct 15, 2006 18:46
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On 2006-10-12 07:12, cosm wrote:
There were about 500 people, most of them 16-20 year olds and they went hard!!!!
There are a lot of "all ages" parties here in New Zealand, and they always have a lot of young teenages who come but they are always well behaved (often more friendly and happy than older people I see in nightclubs!)
But, when I went to Boom Festival, I saw almost no teenagers. Everyone was 20+ almost... So I wonder if it is not common for young people to come to parties in Europe?
What do you think?
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Younger people come to partys first and enjoy the music there
and when they grow up and if they like the spirit and the culture then they start follow the festivals.
I will say this:
Festivals in the nature is the culture and the clubs is for the music most.
Open your mind... |
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Inner Demon
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Posted : Oct 16, 2006 02:25
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I second Krell on everything he's said...sometimes the 'cosmic' laid-back attitude of people in this scene pisses me off, because sometimes its nothing more than a manifestation of lacking judgement and responsibility.
It sounds on some of you as if societal regulations were put in place to annoy you. Well, they're actually there for your protection in many ways.
I was at party fairly recently where I witnessed a kid not older than 12-13 on the dancefloor seriously messed up on acid. I had to change spot because I just couldn't bear watching it... as Krell said it is not until in your 20's (generally speaking, people!) that your conception of reality and your own identity is fully shaped, and before that happens, twisting those very concepts is not a recommended activity, it can be very dangerous.
Sure, theoretically I agree that any age should be allowed but for everyone's comfort and security I don't think its advisable. Besides, I fail to see the panic...if you're 14-15, chill...parties aren't going to disappear...you'll find them more rewarding when you're a bit older too IMO.
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Kane
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Posted : Oct 31, 2006 01:07
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On 2006-10-15 04:19, psytheriatsunami wrote:
IS NOT THE AGE (PHISICAL ENERGY)
IT IS THE IT IS THE ATTITUDE (SPIRITUAL ENERGY)
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They wouldn't let me into the last party I tried to go to cause I failed on the "spiritual energy" test.
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Sorry but the reason most teenagers can't get into parties is because they aren't legally adults, and thats it. Its all the laws on that side..and I don't necessarily agree that I can't get into indoor parties at bars or go to an open air event without a parent, but I can respect it for the reasons. As far as I'm concerned, yes, there are a lot of immature teenagers out there that are just going to end up trouble at parties..not all of them, but I would say most would be slightly more than the 18+ crowd. |
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Sound Surgeon
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Posted : Oct 31, 2006 01:18
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What about bringing infants on parties? I saw that sometimes, what do you think on that?
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Kane
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Posted : Oct 31, 2006 03:58
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On 2006-10-31 01:18, Sound Surgeon wrote:
What about bringing infants on parties? I saw that sometimes, what do you think on that?
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I don't trust new eardrums exposed to 130 dB.. |
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