X-Dream Live 1997 in Paris

On 2010-10-25 18:00, PoM wrote:
what i find funny is cause of everyone sounding the same now many procuders are wondering what they are doing wrong when they sound different.it make things even more worst ,pushing always more into cloning.

On 2010-10-25 19:49, Wizack Twizack wrote:
i dont think they talked about just quality but about uniqe and diffrent sound compared to software preset music. imo with software u'r getting a more sharp and plastic crystal clear production almost then with hardware but the more u learn about music the more u dont want that in the end =) pure dirty analog meety sounds ftw.

cheers!

On 2010-10-25 20:18, PoM wrote:
so you mean 90% of the scene lack experience? i wonder if it s you who dont have the experience to really hear what going on with some hardware box or maybe you just dont care about it, in the end it s all about taste but if you re going for the hardware sound of some specific gears you won t get it with plugs,even their emulation..i was listening nebula desk... even a mackie sound better than their trident or neve desk .

On 2010-10-25 20:06, Beat Agency wrote:
Just take a listen to the artist from UK using the Butterfly studios, Flying Rhino studios etc. There was a period where a lot of them sounded very similar. It's not the hardware or software's fault. Its the artists trying to sound like those they like

I dont buy into the argument that software make artists sound the same. If you got the skills and experience you can stand out with your own sound.

I get the feeling those who have very purist views on the whole hardware/software debate never really took the time to learn how to use software the proper way

On 2010-10-25 19:26, goaren wrote:
well put dh... tho i said it first

On 2010-10-25 19:37, Wizack Twizack wrote:

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On 2010-10-25 18:00, PoM wrote: what i find funny is cause of everyone sounding the same now many procuders are wondering what they are doing wrong when they sound different.it make things even more worst ,pushing always more into cloning.

I think it has to do with the labels also who ain't accept diffrent stuff couse nobody will buy their cds and they will loose money, and producers who want to release their music on lables (not all tho) has to follow some kind of red line in their making of the tracks to fit what is beeing wanted and thats an evil circle who has poisoned the hole thing. So new producers find it easyer getting recognision by doing what the lables are after and by getting bookings they have pretty much reached their goals and have no intention to change that.

On 2010-10-25 18:31, disco hooligans wrote:
Filteria, I totally get where you're coming from. I used to be just like that when I put together the first modules on my Doepfer/analogue Systems modular.
There is no end to the "analogueness" of things. Most synths mentioned here are chip based...you get your standard 3340 VCO chips, Transistor Ladder, SEM, 3320 filter chips, Roland IR filter chips.
I used to be in the hunt of Version 4 Roland MKS-80 cause they were discrete circuit synths like the Jupiter 8 and not chip based analogue synths like the Version 5 MKS-80. People in the late '90s early 2000 thought the chip based synths lacked a lot from the descrete circuit synts, to them people the chip based synths where not the real deal...there's no end to how anal producers can get.
And speaking about X-Dream's real analog sound...does the Korg Prophecy ring any bells?

I do agree that there is a lot to gain from wiring in an analogue synth to a desk and using whatever ADC people had available...things could get so different by simply changing the gain structure and use of their input preamps, whereas today people just open the same synth inside logic/cubase/ableton.
But as you already wisely stated, this has a lot more to do with the new breed of producers, than the equipment it self.
You're right about full on producers tho, cloning the [enter israeli producer here] that was "trendy" at the time...

Anyhow, I wish any new aspiring producer should watch this clip before opening the sequencer, not because they should be making the same music, but to get a feel of the real vibe of a trance party.

Peace out.