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s0ft
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Posted : Aug 3, 2005 20:54
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...you pity those who believe differently than you? now thats silly. do yourself a favore and realize that people believe what they believe for a reason. that reason is beyond your understanding, i guess. please stop acting like those who believe in something are "below you" and deserve your pitty.
you have pissed me off. maybe that is what you are trying to do. i dont care either way. fact is, you should learn to understand that it isnt wrong to believe differently than you. the entire idea of starting this thread to preach against believing in higher powers is egotistical and narcasistic, in the sense that you believe you are correct and everyone else is wrong.
you are pushing against these things.
you are no better than those who push for them.
stop it.
just stop it.
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Nik©
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Posted : Aug 3, 2005 20:56
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i am sorry soft , they only thing i believe in is Santa Claus , and if u have anything against that , or if u think i am wrong - then get lost |
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Ott^
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Posted : Aug 3, 2005 20:59
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s0ft - don't feed the troll.
Perfect example of the kind of idiot that can't work out how to differ in opinion without disrespecting the person. |
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s0ft
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Posted : Aug 3, 2005 21:01
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DiMiTry
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Posted : Aug 3, 2005 21:54
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mmm... religion. i am curious as to why it's not on that tablet up there on top.. 
after all, people get very silly about their beliefs, for some reason. as history doeth show. especially if someone says they're wrong. which is kinda like trying to install linux on top of a windows machine. hehe.
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s0ft
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Posted : Aug 3, 2005 22:07
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----Dawn----
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Posted : Aug 3, 2005 23:04
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On 2005-08-03 21:54, DiMiTry wrote:
people get very silly about their beliefs, for some reason. as history doeth show. especially if someone says they're wrong. which is kinda like trying to install linux on top of a windows machine
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On 2005-08-03 00:47, ritm wrote:
you may all worship me if you want to, but it will cost you 2 dollars
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Sounds interesting. What's your stance on coveting thy neighbour’s wife's ass? 
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gaspard
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Posted : Aug 3, 2005 23:24
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On 2005-08-03 20:54, s0ft wrote:
...you pity those who believe differently than you? now thats silly. do yourself a favore and realize that people believe what they believe for a reason. that reason is beyond your understanding, i guess. please stop acting like those who believe in something are "below you" and deserve your pitty.
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i really do pity the people in the links put up by ott, i really do! i also do feel above these low life scum. what can i say? how can i respect people who take religion as an excuse to shove hate around??
as for most other religions... i can see why people believe and if it brings them happiness then so be it. i m happy for them.
as for the rest i think it would be wiser to see the prophets as inspirations rather than demi-gods. i dont think any of them wanted to be placed above any humans, and thats what many religions (and religious people) tend to do. which makes it easy for non believers to frown upon.
Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.
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Pavel
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Posted : Aug 3, 2005 23:25
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Always worthy to mention Bill Hicks:
...I just think it's interesting to see how people act on their beliefs, you know what I mean? 'Cause your beliefs, they're just that, they're nothin', there's how you were taught, and raised. That doesn't make 'em real. That's why I always recommend a psychedelic experience, 'cause it does make you realize that everything you learned is in fact just learned, and not necessarily true...
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pavi
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Posted : Aug 3, 2005 23:56
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Nice one Pavel, I love that quote!
While we're at it, here's my $ 200 cents:
This is one of my favourites, an insight into a different meaning of 'worship,' where what it is you worship is utterly meaningless, but the act of worship itself a beautiful meditation:
*Hidden Mysteries:
The Transformative Power of Idol Worship.
´If I tell you that the term "idol worship" is wrong, you will be surprised; but actually it is absolutely wrong. It is wrong because for one who knows how to worship, the idol doesn't remain an idol. And the one who sees only the idol does not know what worship is or how to worship. We are using two words; one is idol and the other is worship. These two concepts cannot be experienced by the same person simultaneously. The word idol is for those who have never worshiped, and the word worship belongs to those who have never seen an idol.
Put differently, we can say that worship is the art of making the idol disappear. It is the art of slowly dropping the manifest and entering into the unmanifest. The manifest form gradually dissolves into the unmanifest, and as the worship deepens only the unmanifest remains. So "idol worship" is self-contradictory. Hence someone who is worshiping is puzzled as to where the idol is, and the one who has not worshiped at all wonders what a stone idol can do. These two types of people have two different types of experiences - and between them there is no common ground.
When you go to a temple you see only an idol, because you are not able to see the worship itself. In a temple a Meera can be found totally absorbed in her worship. For her there is no idol. As soon as real worship deepens, the idol dissolves. We see idols because we do not know what worship is. As there is less and less worship in this world, we shall see more and more idols. When there are many idols, worship will as good as disappear. In that case, the idols will have to be pulled down, because what use will they be? They will be irrelevant.
Ordinarily, we think that the more primitive a man is, the more he is likely to be an idol-worshiper, and that as man becomes more intelligent he will drop his idols. But this is not true. In reality, worship has its own science, and the more ignorant we become about it the more mysterious it seems to us.
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You begin your journey from the idol, which is in front of you. Worship is the process by which you proceed. As you go ahead the idol is left behind, and only worship remains. If you stop at the idol you do not know what worship is. Whoever continues on to worship has recognized the idol, has known the root of worship and the real purpose of the idol.
In worship, what are the fundamental principles involved behind an idol? Firstly, to jump into that ultimate truth for which you are searching, you need some solid land, a jumping board. The ultimate truth does not need any solid ground, but you need a place from where to set out, from where you can take a jump. You have set out to jump into the sea, and the sea is infinite; you will need a bank or coastline from where you can take the jump. Once you jump you will be away from the shore, but won't you turn back to thank the seashore from where you jumped into the infinite?
This seems impossible. Can you jump from form to formlessness? The form will only take you to another form. If you ask Krishnamurti he will it is not possible. How can you jump from the form to the formless? How can you jump from the word to the wordless?
All jumps are from form to formlessness, because in a deeper sense, form is the opposite of formlessness. Form is a part of formlessness, and an indivisible part. It may seem separate to us - because of our limited vision. In fact form and formlessness are indivisible.
When we stand on the seashore and look at the sea, we feel that they are separate, and that this shore and the opposite shore, far across the sea, are also separate. But if we go deep underneath the water, we will see that this shore and the opposite are connected at the bottom of the sea.
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It is because of this that I have talked to you about worship - so that you might understand that an idol is a method meant for total, inner transformation. The idol is just an excuse.
It is like hanging your coat on a peg. The purpose of the peg is just to hang the coat: if there were no peg, the coat would have been hung on the door or a chair. It has to be hung somewhere. But once it is hung up, you can't see the peg, and so you don't ask any questions about it.
The idol is just a peg - worship is the main purpose.
But while worshiping the idol you can't see the worship: you can't see the coat, you only see the peg. You feel the peg has spoiled the wall - why keep it?
Only the idol remains, utterly helpless and defeated. It may not survive - it is only the life force of worship that can save it. That is why I have talked to you about worship.´
-Phew! Feel free to ignore that psychobabble, or pm me for the author if you wanna know, but I like the way it kills all idols.
Which is just another form of belief right? Aaaargh! 
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a shining light does dance,
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offthenutboom
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Posted : Aug 4, 2005 00:52
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The two rules of friendly conversations with ppl you do not personally know: No politics, No religion.
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lovecats
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Posted : Aug 4, 2005 02:01
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What i love about party's in australia is that there is very little feeling of what should be or what you can do, its about the freedom. Maybe it's different with you. Personaly I like to see as many different forces at play on the dance floor and I worship life and everything thats good in it and I stomp on the rest. |
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Dennis the menace
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Posted : Aug 4, 2005 09:40
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Justin Chaos
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Posted : Aug 4, 2005 19:41
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On 2005-07-29 09:15, traveller wrote:
The female arses that swing from side to side @ parties 
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Not only that...but pretty damn close
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