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Why Live acts cost more than Dj sets?????
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SPY
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Posted : May 13, 2004 17:21
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Hello People,
I was having a discussion with a friend of mine who happens to be a party organiser about booking artists for live acts and dj sets a few days back when we got into a debate over howcome a live acts cost more than a dj set.For eg,
XYZ (live set) - 5000$
XYZ (dj set) - 3000$
My query here is that the Live act only last for max an hour and half also the organiser spends an extra amount for hiring the eqipment that the artist has requested for as compared to a dj set which could range from a 2hr set to maybe a 5 hour set or even more(in context to GIL).
Now i know that in a Live Act the artist only plays his music and all that stuff but dont you think that the extra money they charge for it for that fixed one and a half hour set is a bit too steep. I mean are they charging more cause its really more work that goes into a Live act or is it just become a trend just cause its called a Live set. I feel Djs who play long sets (5hrs) put in much more effort into thier work compared to a Live set.
I would appreciate it if you guys could give your views about it specially the artist on the forum.
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Yuli
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Posted : May 13, 2004 18:23
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Many times for live act u need the whole band and for dj sets u need only one. Live is much more special - especially for ppl that know the artist and expect to be surprised by nu stuff and live act changes in the tracks..
Now the big bonus is IN REAL LIVE ACTS... that makes a real change if u ask me  and worth the money imo but I am biased...
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Posted : May 13, 2004 18:28
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On 2004-05-13 18:23, Yuli wrote:
IN REAL LIVE ACTS... that makes a real change if u ask me and worth the money imo but I am biased...
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very good point to fine tune.
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Rik
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Posted : May 13, 2004 19:07
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I think the difference is worth it if you see the artist perform his music, not just play some prerecorded alternative version. also... watching an artist wobble his mouse while gazing at his laptop is not convincing... feels like an instant rip off (still have to see the first artist create shitloads of atmosphere by doing the laptop act)
I recently spoke to a musician that performs at larger festivals in europe and he stated: "i will never bring a pc to a stage. I want to be able to hit pads, turn buttons, manipulate the sound while dancing. not some static act in front of a screen." he uses a big akai 4000 sampler that allows him to interact more during his act. working this way there is a larger chance for flaws but also more variation.
If an artist does all these efforts to bring his music this way I find it normal that he charges more than for just mixing records for a longer period of time.
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Colin OOOD
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Posted : May 13, 2004 21:47
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How about the fact that the artists have to spend hours and hours and hours and hours and days and weeks CREATING the music they play, compared with the DJs who gets their music either online (from shops or by download) or by physically going to a shop... how much is the artists' time worth? Especially when, for people who write music a little too different for labels to take a risk on, finding a good label is difficult, even though their music ROCKS the dancefloor? Mentioning no names, of course... 
It seems sometimes that people don't appreciate the sheer amount of work that goes into creating the music they love.
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SPY
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Posted : May 13, 2004 22:21
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@ Colin-
I never denied the fact that artist put lots of hours behind makin the music. I totally respect that. However my point here is not that....what i was trying to ask is Why would OOOD (live) cost 2000 $ for eg and OOOD dj set (if you do dj sets) cost say 600-700$ Thats the point i was trying to make was that my dear friend.
I wish all the artist get paid more so they keep upgrading thier equipment to improve thier production and quality of music. Wish you all the best for your project OOOD.
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Posted : May 14, 2004 02:01
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Good point OOOD ! As for my side, I worked aprox. 2 years to finish an album, so i expect to get more money for a live set than a dj. Let's not forget that most of live acts, bring his own equipment or at least a part of it; so the risck is bigger.
Also the public is much more interested in witch live act is playing at the party than the dj.
If you have an good live act on the flyer, much peoples will came and the organizers can win much money (if they won... )
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Colin OOOD
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Posted : May 14, 2004 03:25
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Coomzy
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Posted : May 14, 2004 08:24
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On 2004-05-14 03:25, Colin OOOD wrote:
A DJ set is not a performance.
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If it's not a performance then what is it?
Do not discount a great dj playing a dj set. He can do what a live cannot. My 0.02c anyways |
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volvox box
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Posted : May 14, 2004 11:34
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You got 10x more brain work on live act than on DJ set |
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Lepton
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Posted : May 14, 2004 12:54
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volvobox in theory no doubt but I' v seen more than one famous live act who simply doesn't not play live (if you hear the cd skip during their performance) or who are just standing with their hands in the air and making a little show and playing all their tracks exactly the same as on their cd. Should they ask more for a " live" than a dj set and do they have more brainwork?? |
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Posted : May 14, 2004 12:55
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On 2004-05-14 08:24, Coombaya wrote:
Do not discount a great dj playing a dj set. He can do what a live cannot. My 0.02c anyways
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I couldn't agree more.
Mr volvox box try to listen and watch if it's possible, a dj set from Zabiela, Vibe or S. Kleinenberg (among many others...) and you can see what brain (and hands) work means. Of course you don't see that in trance, although there are a few exceptions.
Ask yourselfs: why do you only see Live acts in Trance related music? Why isn't it so popular among other dance music styles?
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SPY
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Posted : May 14, 2004 13:35
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Ive had the pleasure of being in a party where Fred (Neuromotor) was doin a dj set for 4 hours and trust me it was one of the finest dj sets ive ever heard in the psycedelic scene. The kinda tricks he has up his sleeves is just shocking. The interesting part was that he played 80% of his own stuff which according to me was like a Neuromotor( dj/live set) with more tricks and ideas. In my opinion i dont think he can shock me with his talent in a livve set than what he does in a dj set. Hes too good...
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Yuli
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Posted : May 14, 2004 14:06
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Actually that also can be true..
But even on top of that - if Fred would go to prepare his live and in the same time the same Fred would play the best he can DJ set - his live would be by far better / more interesting.. Only because at home u can prepare things u cant do in real time mixing in any way since u got only two hands
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Kaz
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Posted : May 14, 2004 14:06
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The basis is this: A live act is just much harder to do, with a lot more limits on the material played. A DJ set only requires you to know how to mix and read the crowd, while a live act requires that, restructuring and tweaking, and fitting your own music to the crowd's taste.
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