Why isn't Psy/Goa considered part of the "trance" scene
Synergize
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Posted : Nov 22, 2011 05:16:02
Hey all
I am getting a little sick and tired of people not accepting Psytrance as being the trance genre or being part of the scene.Instead people view crappy armin van Buuren or some other DJ who plays eurotrance as being the only form of trance. So why is that, psytrance ins't considered part of the scene?
Yes I am relatively new to the psyscene but not to the trance scene...
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Posted : Nov 22, 2011 05:50
Because psytrance is worth listening too, and trance is not.
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Posted : Nov 22, 2011 08:38
because psytrance is psycedelic art and too inteligent for mainstream. Trance and Co is dedicated more for avarage masses the overground commercial, psytrance more for mind expanding music fanatics. Ying Yang sorta combo there is always the other side. Trance was played on loveparade and goa trucks were driving on fuckparade It's nearer than death metal to classical music but still two different sides.
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Posted : Nov 22, 2011 09:18
Doesn't Goa predate the Trance scene?
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Posted : Nov 22, 2011 09:54
I am glad that it is not considered for mainstream.
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Posted : Nov 22, 2011 09:55
Well, I still view psytrance as being part of the trance scene. It's one side of trance that often gets bashed for sounding "formulaic" or cheesy or sounding all the same. I personally don't like talking to those who bash psytrance. It's one style that has stuck to it's roots. The sounds are hypnotic,intelligent,moving,trippy and damn ingenious.
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Posted : Nov 22, 2011 10:05
yes goa is the real trance since it's psychedelic and dedicated or originaly intended to expand our minds. I ment trance as the music like hardtrance or this branches of techno when as I said goa and trance are two sides.
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Posted : Nov 22, 2011 14:02
They used to be similar. From 1990-1997, european trance and goa trance were basically a single genre--tracks from both got played in both places.
Circa 2000 or so, mainstream "trance" took on a lot of influence from progressive house, so now "trance" has more in common with progressive house than with the old school trance sound.
It's rather elitist to say that it isn't "intelligent" though. It's just different.
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Posted : Nov 22, 2011 14:04
PS There is a lot of psytrance out there that isn't very intelligent at all.
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Posted : Nov 22, 2011 14:20
I dont know where you live, but here in germany it never ,never was played in the same place. Psytrance and Hardtrance ftw - never mate I can not remember it, and I visit goa parties since 1994 , illegal parties , forest parties or big parties.I would say here from the first days. Especialy along the early years I visited sometimes 2 to 3 events in the country on one weekend. No mate, definetly not. Psytrance and Hardtrance was even more apart back than ever I'd say.
Being definetly not a guy who produces just psytrance I say it with a sort of compliment and not smartassness, that psytrance is more intelligent music than hardtrance is.
Although its logical even , music for mind has to be a bit more complex .Like jazz has mor harmonies,scales and changes of moods than rock has for example.
ps the most psytrance today is not even bad its badder than bad IMO. Espescially guys who copy the same stuff that was even old more than ten years ago. This is not even worth a value - its not original. Looking on thousands of almost same releases each year , it is hard to say this genre is still that inteligent and original at all but there are artists that make advanced intelligent music.
And back than the genres were not more similar but even more different I'd say. today they are more and more similar.
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Posted : Nov 22, 2011 16:17
Well I guess I'm just confused what you're talking about then. When were we talking about hardtrance? The OP was talking about mainstream commercial trance, which is totally different from hardtrance in my mind.
When I'm talking about old school european trance I mean platipus records, sperm, dance 2 trance, that kind of stuff.
When someone says "hard trance" to me I think of the trancier side of uk hard dance, plus mauro picotto and maybe stuff like earlier cosmic gate or rank 1
And I wasn't trying to say that all the music was played in both goa and in europe. Obvious ly there was stuff to the extreme on both sides, but there was some stuff in the middle that got played both places.
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Posted : Nov 22, 2011 16:26
Also I would argue that a lot of today's psytrance isn't really "trance" music either, in that it isn't repetitive and hypnotic enough to actually create any kind of trance state. It's too glitchy.
This kind of music puts me in a trance:
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Posted : Nov 22, 2011 18:59
It's them who are out of the scene, that's why you can call it Mctrance.
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Posted : Nov 22, 2011 19:32
Synergize I find it funny that you get upset that other people (some) do not consider psy/goa to be part of the commercial trance scene where after you call their taste in music crap. Maybe look at your own judgmental attitude here. If this is the attitude some people who are into commercial trance get from some people in the psy/goa scene scene (and believe me I've heard it all) then I understand their negative attitude toward this scene.
Good music is good music no matter what it's called and no matter the judgmental people found also in the psytrance scene (just look at some replies in this debate).
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Posted : Nov 22, 2011 21:07
I can predict this thread's contents
<insert rambling opinion masquerading as fact about how the music that I like is the only true trance>
It's nearer than death metal to classical music but still two different sides.
