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why is there no usa in trance in the world.
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mubali
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Posted : Jan 19, 2007 18:27
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Well technically... Canada is a separate country.... you see where I'm going with that... I'm sure that any Canadian artists are going to more than welcome at the AUM fest... Just as I am sure any Mexican artists will be as well.... I think the oversight lies with the fact there's a major festival in Canada that same weekend.... So many of us assumed that many Canadian artists would be doing that instead.... Please come on down and help unite North America... And to clarify Paradigm's message, we're now just starting to talk to promoters less than 400 miles away, we want to include everyone too, we just have to know who all wants in on it.
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KaiserSoze
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Posted : Jan 19, 2007 18:52
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I think that with the unfortunate timing of AUM and Eclipse may be causing some people to consider most Eastern Canadians to be written off as an option for AUM...
Also, I think people go based off what they know when suggesting acts. Maybe a good portion of people in the US haven't seen Canadian acts. A lot of posts I have seen are mostly suggesting "dark" acts. Forgive my/their ignorance, but those who are mainly into "darkpsy" might not know many or any "darkpsy" acts from Canada. Not to say AUM will be a "dark" party.
Personally I know mostly of full on, tech, and prog acts from Canada. Some that I have seen and have been very impressed with, but with most of them more than likely playing or going to Eclipse we come back to my first point.
If the dates of the two events were different we'd probably see a larger amount of talk of getting the Canadian acts...
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rajatrao6
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Posted : Jan 19, 2007 19:47
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Someone please do something about the dates!  |
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Basilisk
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Posted : Jan 19, 2007 19:53
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Look, it isn't about the Aum festival specifically--it was just an example of the kind of thinking that ocelot originally raised:
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| canada, the usa, and the many nations of central america should be thinking in pan-north american terms in general.
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There is no need to revise history; Aum festival planning was already very pro-US and dismissive of other North Americans long before the Eclipse dates came up.
Beyond that... I guess you don't know too much about Eclipse. It is a big festival with an international line-up. Few Canadians ever play, beyond the usual in-house DJs and a token few from Toronto or parts elsewhere. Nuclear Ramjet is one exception--they seem to be on the list every year, and it's a good thing too... point being, if you think to excuse ignoring Canadian talent simply because there is a festival going on and people are liable to assume everyone will be booked for that... well, that's a bit rich.
All I'm trying to do is to get people to think twice... if you espouse inclusivity, practice it consciously.
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KaiserSoze
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Posted : Jan 19, 2007 21:56
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I can't speak for the AUM fest, but I know that they have over 350 people that emailed wanting to play. If some are from Mexico or Canada I don't know. I assume there are some. And of course the suggestions on Tribe and Isra are not who in the end will play. But, looking back to the first page of this AUM page I see several Canadian acts listed as suggestions and also DiMiTry (one of the main people throwing the fest) saying this:
i am not sure Mexico will be well-represented here, due to visa restrictions and such.. but there are some kick-ass DJs up in Canada to make up for that..
And, yes, ever since Eclipse was announced to be on the same date as AUM I assumed that a good portion of the Canadian acts and people in that scene would goto that festival. I have nothing to do with booking AUM or contacting which acts will be going to Eclipse (to play or just attend) and which would prefer to come to AUM... But those interested should email the AUM people.
As far as non-AUM related parties. Personally speaking for the Midwest when it comes to getting Canadian acts..
Of the few parties in the midwest scene that have brought acts in from far away most acts that have come were personal friends of the promoters (unless it was an international live act.) or were an act that brought the promoter out to one of their events.
I can say that Yann and Cafrine were at one midwest fest in 2006, and I've heard Horizon will be coming out soon.
Rickam and Basilisk were on the list of possibilities to come to a few Chilluminati events, but due to booking costs we opted for a cheaper act.
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djsmittenspacekitten
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Posted : Jan 22, 2007 04:39
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ocelot
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Posted : Jan 23, 2007 14:44
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On 2007-01-18 19:38, FaceHead wrote:
im putting together a comp for the aum festival and both mexico and canada will be represented im open to suggestions basilisk. I cant speak for other people on the exclusion of other countries just as you cant speak for all of us on the issue. Not all of us are proud of or fit the mold of the USA reputaion.
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Gordon Brown aka Clone
and his brother Pat- they ROCK and have made amazing psytrance for years.
they are based in Ottawa...
FYI
as for why north american artists are/are not represented in the world at large?
well lets start with the fact this is one isolated land mass... pretty disconnected from Eurasia...
then lets just say most labels are started with some artists or scene in mind and tend to promote their artists/scene vs anything else...
for example the UK and Israeli scenes are both a bit myopic this way...
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djsmittenspacekitten
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Posted : Jan 24, 2007 01:46
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slyman604
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Posted : Jan 24, 2007 06:11
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On 2007-01-18 15:16, rajatrao6 wrote:
@ocelot... i completely agree with what your saying if the question was percieved in the way you did. But i do feel you have misunderstood his question  I think what he meant was why not many artists/dj's from the united states have made a considerable impact on the global trance circuit. But offcourse there are some exceptions  It would be interesting to listen to your views based on my interpretation of the question
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i think its also a numbers game though. For the amount of people in canada and the US, there really isnt that many psy producers compared to other places in the world.
In general i think electronic music is dieing a rather slow death in the states overall. There really is no new blood coming in, 16yo kid in highschool doesnt think electronic music is cool, that was 6 or 7 years ago. Metal/emo/indy is what is cool now or what their older brother in college is listening too. I imagine thats a much different story in israel or places with a huge psy scene. |
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Basilisk
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Posted : Jan 25, 2007 01:10
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On 2007-01-23 14:44, ocelot wrote:
well lets start with the fact this is one isolated land mass... pretty disconnected from Eurasia...
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The lessons of Guns, Germs, and Steel might apply to psytrance as well
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rajatrao6
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Posted : Jan 25, 2007 01:52
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mubali
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Posted : Jan 25, 2007 08:16
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I'm currently reading that book... very interesting to allude to it...
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Posted : Mar 16, 2007 17:56
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Posted : Mar 20, 2007 10:22
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After being on the traveller's circuit for a little while my take on why there is very little US-based trance in the world is because American's don't for the most part travel.
Scene's and their politics seem to be the same everywhere even if there is a difference of scale in size and frequency of trance events.
At large events people tend to book people whom they either personally know or have heard of from other festivals (i.e. networking) -- this generally means europeans, even in Asia.
Small events everywhere are perpetually broke and rely on people dropping by or being close with a heavy emphasis on the regional.
Everywhere I've been people are surprised to see an American at all and are excited to hear new ideas and learn about what else is going on. While that is more than enough to play a small event, its a different world for large events..... |
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dj Dragon
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Posted : Mar 22, 2007 19:05
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On 2007-03-20 10:22, Infinitesimal wrote:
Everywhere I've been people are surprised to see an American at all and are excited to hear new ideas and learn about what else is going on. While that is more than enough to play a small event, its a different world for large events.....
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I know I'm definitely glad to have you guys out there increasing the international relations for all of us !! Your pictures have been breath-taking and emails worthy of publishing ! I hope to see you guys soon, and we need to start some music projects asap to help network the American Sound back down the trail !
BoM !
http://www.glowing-dragon.com http://www.touchsamadhi.com http://www.myspace.com/glowingdragon http://www.myspace.com/djdragon604 |
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