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why is most trance tracks so slow???
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Mandala Echos
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Posted : Dec 27, 2004 01:14
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On 2004-12-26 05:24, sam i am wrote:
I think that people who can't dance to fast music are funny!  You know you don't have to move to *every* beat right? You can dance at half-time!  The best high tempo artist for me is the Nam Shub of Enki / Kiki.Ill.. a lot of the time I find myself dancing at half-time to his sets, then the tempo will change & it's back to dancing to every beat. Then the tempo will speed up again, so back to half-time & so on... it's fun!!! We're not robots!!  have some fun. Play around. Live a little.
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this is very funny and smart from u sam, i'm testing ur theory... hhahaha
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Dark_Dork
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Posted : Dec 27, 2004 02:32
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Its a good method for dancing to speedcore techno  only you dance only 1\4 beats instead of 2\4 |
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ajna
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Posted : Dec 27, 2004 12:48
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Trance is not especially slow.
your judgement is just in relation with your brain, music culture and expectations.
goa trance can get from 90 to 150 bpm and more.
the most common full on track around 145 and prog a litle less.
but if the rythm is too slow for you you should listen to others style of techno or change your substances and your dealer !!
actually the more a stuff is speed the less intelligence it gets to dance on it.
a missed track at 136 bpm can get danceable at 150 bpm.
the speedy side is the easy one.
"conga fury" from juno reactor was originally released at 160 bpm far before your skazy or neuromotor even put a finger on a synth.
but I always slow down the speed of this track to listen to it accordingly to my tastes.
blue planet corporation also released alot of tracks around 150 bpm and always their worse ones.
of course we all have different sensitivity and tastes but so far that goa is a communion spiritual dance music do you think it is easier to dance, smile and love on a beautiful 140 bpm masterpiece or on a dark-heavy-violent- 160 bpm bomb ?
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russ
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Posted : Dec 27, 2004 18:54
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anything above 135-140 bpm sounds silly to me. the problem is once you go much beyond 140 there's simply not much interesting you can do with the bass, because it's going so damn fast. if the music is very techno/mechanical, a simple pumping bassline can sound great, but not much else. witness that ONE spastic bassline that so many israeli/full-on producers have been using for the past few years. it's truly unbelievable that one bassline pattern can sustain an entire scene for several years.
that's one reason why trance basslines suck so hard when compared to progressive house/tribal house/tech-house basslines at 125-135 bpm, there's so much room for funky movements in the bass.
BTW, the only amazing fast music i've heard recently is Speedy J's latest album, Loudboxer (from 143-146). When you're going that fast, the bass can only be relentless, and Loudboxer is f'ing relentless! |
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jaramogi
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Posted : Dec 27, 2004 19:21
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i heard that 240 - 300 bpm is a "trance encourageing" zone which stimulate the nerves from brain
he he - if thats right, i should buy me some gabber cds for relaxing
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mubali
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Posted : Dec 27, 2004 21:56
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I have heard lots of higher bpm tracks and some work at their speed and some do not. If you have a whole bunch of synthlines that are really quick and short packed into a 155 bpm track, it might get a little chaotic and cluttered, but if you spread out the sounds a little and use some different rhythms, then you can definitely make it work. I have written tracks at many different tempos and it really depends on the accompaning sound that really make a track feel really fast or really slow. One of the reasons why the progressive side of trance sounds as slow as it does is because of the sounds that are used to establish their mood, rather than some spastic synthlines. Of course the bpm does have a minor effect in this as well.
When it's all said and done, there is a track for damn near every bpm and at least one listener who likes it and one listener that will not. In the end I just appreciate the opportunity to formulate my own opinion and respect any artist who has enough cahones to write their interpretation on life and share it with other people.
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Posted : Dec 27, 2004 22:11
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My favourite tempos are from 139 to 145 but it's not a rule. If it sounds good, it sounds good, no matter what tempo it is. i just find that it's usually a bit messy when it too fast.
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mono mono
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Posted : Dec 28, 2004 22:33
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It's funny when 160+ BPM DnB is being dropped and the dancefloor is having an epileptic seizure. I'm with you Sam I Am (not), 'cept I like to dance 3/4 beats x 160 BPM = 120 BPM. At 120 BPM not only can you dance with your legs and knees (aka psytrance), you can move your booty thang around, in a sexual manner, if you choose. Lest us not forget that there are indigenous african trance rhythms that are well above 160 BPM. In some of those ceremonies, the trance subject(s) just quiver and vibrate.
IMHO: Once you start getting above 145 BPM you start to lose the subtleties of THE SPACE BETWEEN THE NOTES.
Oh yeah, I find alot of the current psy-trance to be annoyingly too fast. I must be gettin' old or something.
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KakoOlalaJwal
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Posted : Dec 31, 2004 16:20
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On 2004-12-28 22:33, mono mono wrote:
IMHO: Once you start getting above 145 BPM you start to lose the subtleties of THE SPACE BETWEEN THE NOTES. |
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Now that's a good argument.. 
It's like in paiting, the colors sometimes need some white to 'breath' and look more in full bloom !
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deejayridoo
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Posted : Jan 1, 2005 16:18
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On 2004-06-24 17:41, tsabeat wrote:
...actualy its music why do u keep stuck on same bpm ? can someone say whats the rock bpm? or chillout bpm?? it seems stupid that 135-145 is only ok.. hehe even funny... there is so much rythms how can u judge music by bpm? weird... like.. i dont hear anyone talk bout the melodic structure or the groove or m i going to far ? cause as artist i listen to those things not the bpm.. may b thats not what the avrege man can put his finger on...
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indeed.
this bpm-talking seems pretty lame to me. as if people are looking for something to cling to.
tsabeat, i think you´re totally right when suspecting a lack of knowledge or understanding of music by most people. (sorry)
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On 2004-12-25 20:49, psytones wrote:
The beats are made for the music to have a tempo, it's whats happening behind the beats that are important in Goa/psytrance.
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exactly!
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hip
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Posted : Jan 1, 2005 18:10
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Indeed
And what is slow and what is fast anyway?
It's matter of taste only.
Because for me 140 is fast, but for someone else 150 is slow.
And thats good to have all kinds of tastes and opinions, because if we all had the same taste, we would have nothing to talk about.
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Oran
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Posted : Jan 1, 2005 18:12
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On 2005-01-01 18:10, hip wrote:
if we all had the same taste, we would have nothing to talk about.
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and bitch about
Always agressive never progressive. |
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sam i am
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Posted : Jan 4, 2005 09:31
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It's funny when 160+ BPM DnB is being dropped and the dancefloor is having an epileptic seizure. I'm with you Sam I Am (not), 'cept I like to dance 3/4 beats x 160 BPM = 120 BPM. At 120 BPM not only can you dance with your legs and knees (aka psytrance), you can move your booty thang around, in a sexual manner, if you choose. |
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teehee! agree with your other comments
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kaniz
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Posted : Jan 11, 2005 15:04
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The past while, I've found I've moved away from psytrance because it's too fast, and most of my tastes seem to be hoverng in the 120-130bpm range.
IMO, it's more interesting to dance to, the basslines have more room to 'play' and do interesting things, and the space between the notes adds alot.
I still enjoy the odd good fast stompy track, but I found it got to the point of 'all-sound-same' .. then again, maybe its just that people have been producing some boring stuff the past while which has made me lose interest.
I've just been finding the slower more 'prodding' stuff has been having a more trance-inducing effect then the 140-150+ twitch-music. |
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Cosmos Mariner
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Posted : Jan 13, 2005 20:40
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On 2004-12-26 05:24, sam i am wrote:
We're not robots!! have some fun. Play around. Live a little.
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ehem, don't you ever listen to kraftwerk?
we ARE robots. duh. 
sound is vibration |
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