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Why are you FLUFFY hate'n?

a3k
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Posted : May 2, 2005 11:48
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On 2005-05-01 00:02, Tundra wrote:
I think there's definately a difference between cheesy fluff and intelligent morning trance.




thix is one of the reasons i hate fluffy music.cause most of the releases nowadays is fluffy, and not psy at all..that is why it is called psy(chedelic)trance..where is the psy in fluffy??..maybe u call it cool cause u like the melodies...but most of thix soundz are not psy at all...and it isn´t a matter of being electronic music lovers..cause house and tecno is electronic also...
creamfilling u like electronic music..ok, no problem about that..but u now that sometimes electronic music by itself doesn´t mean is good
i like morning trance as long it is good! and by good means uplifting and psy.
see ya.          ...
Neville Bone
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Posted : May 2, 2005 12:13
I love melodies and love morning trance.
As we already discussed this a million times,
It is not the melodies or a track being happy that makes it cheesy.
To be able to start recognzizing the cheesy tunes you have to first listen to non cheesy music for quite a while so to see the difference.
As I said previously,Even night & dark trance can be cheesy.
Kaz
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Posted : May 2, 2005 13:29
I consider Astrix fluffy btw. The fact that he uses a rolling bassline doesn't make his music not fluffy in my book. Azax Syndrome is definately fluffy, on the border of nitzhonot music sometimes. Vibrasphere are super-fluffy. Now, either all these acts are shit, or people are talking a load of bull in this thread. Of course, the fact that 99% of the psytrance scene likes at least one of these acts makes it very probable that the latter is the case.           http://www.myspace.com/Hooloovoo222
Silent Scream
Silent Scream

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Posted : May 2, 2005 13:39
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On 2005-04-30 14:26, scraper wrote:
I just came back from Raveolution a festival in israel and what I saw from one of the psytrance legends (Infected Mushroom) was just horrific. they had some female dancers that were not related to the music in any way. then for no apparent reason, these girls start making out with each other and the crowd goes wild.




i really liked that part, whats so horrific in two good looking girls making out?!           www.myspace.com/silentscreamuzic]
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Lithium
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Posted : May 2, 2005 15:13
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On 2005-05-02 13:39, Silent Scream wrote:
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On 2005-04-30 14:26, scraper wrote:
I just came back from Raveolution a festival in israel and what I saw from one of the psytrance legends (Infected Mushroom) was just horrific. they had some female dancers that were not related to the music in any way. then for no apparent reason, these girls start making out with each other and the crowd goes wild.




i really liked that part, whats so horrific in two good looking girls making out?!




HAHAHAHAHAHA
DeSerT.StOrM


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Posted : May 2, 2005 21:33
People refer to it as "pop" because it is very easy to listen to, it is very easy on the ears, and very easy to groove on. some people are elitist and think that it must be pop if it is in that nice little package.           ----------
Nothing can accelerate to the speed of light because its mass would become infinite
offthenutboom
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Posted : May 2, 2005 21:56
I think personally there has been a huge trend on capitalizing on a definite sound. You make your 128 note (or less) bassline, loop it... Copy the pattern, and add it to your acid line Like this there plenty of other standarization which sells. I personally do not have anything against it, but I will not support it.

Also when money dictates the life of all involved in the music making, event making etc... it is dictated by the economic rules of money itself. So labels design a specific sound to fill a space and search for a positioning within the industry. This has helped a segmentation of our global village

Before this segmentation happened, it was very easy to get a comp with a diversity of sounds. Actually the compilations had a journey like the set or event itself. You had you minimal dreamy tracks @ the beginning, early night, deep night, sunrise and morning. When we bought a comp in the past we got a variety of sounds from where we could pick our style and sometime expand our vision. Nowadays, comps are design with one style to capitalize on this particular segment. The result has been this Red teams, blue teams and yellow teams of ppl fighting to win the ultimate psychedelic battle.

I think there is good music being created in all realms. But when a track is not captivating, formulaic and clearly recognizable elements from past compositions... as if the old tracks where rearranged into a new one... Also if the melody just feels unfinished, repetitive and immature, then we can bring out the bread to spread the cheese. This is not just exclusive of morning, full on or progressive music. It is widespread all accross our scene, since artists have to meet deadlines and quotas. Details are lost in the rush, when b4 artists would just master all elements for the sake of pure joy doing it

About gogo dancers staging an erotic scene. I mean if it happen naturally on the dancefloor and two girls were attracted to each other and the music took them to this plane... nothing scary. But if the gogo's just do it in a staged situation... you know sex sells. This part for me it is scary in the sense that the event it just hitting the monkey within us and not something higher.
luje


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Posted : May 3, 2005 01:33
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On 2005-05-02 21:56, offthenutboom wrote:
I personally do not have anything against it, but I will not support it.

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This part for me it is scary in the sense that the event it just hitting the monkey within us and not something higher.



I share your opinion and concern.

Psychedelia (and art in general) is about intensity. And, unfortunatelly, intensity doesn't go well with commercialization.

Reminds me of Walter Benjamin's "The Work of art in the age of mechanical reproduction" main ideas, as well spotted in http://pages.emerson.edu/Courses/spring00/in123/workofart/benjamin.htm

1) To an ever greater degree the work of art reproduced becomes the work of art designed for reproducibility.

2) The film responds to the shriveling of the aura with an artificial build-up of the "personality" outside the studio.

3) The equipment-free aspect of reality here has become the height of artifice; the sight of immediate reality has become an orchid in the land of technology.

4) Magician and surgeon compare to painter and cameraman.

5) By close-ups of the things around us, by focusing on hidden details of familiar objects, by exploring commonplace milieus under the ingenious guidance of the camera, the film, on the one hand, extends our comprehension of the necessities which rule our lives; on the other hand, it manages to assure us of an immense and unexpected field of action. . . . With the close-up, space expands; with slow motion, movement is extended.



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