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Why are you FLUFFY hate'n?
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TheCreamFilling
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Posted : Apr 30, 2005 13:08
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I've been reading through this forum (and a few others lately) and sooo many people currently seem to hate the "happy", "fluffy", "cheesy" style, and put down the people that DO. They call the happy-fluffy-cheesy style of psytrance "pop", but whenever I hand over the headphones to my buddies who regularly listen to Britney Spears, Nsync, and Blink 182, they all say one thing; "Woh....this sounds so trippy." And it should, and it does (which is a relative thing). I think you are insane to call most of the fluffy psy "POP". Just to clear things up, I'm defining "fluffy" psy as psytrance with distinct memorable and coherent melodies, wether they're dark or happy. 3 years ago, most of the psy had more melodies, songs were clearly different than one another, and psytrance was not defined as "dark". It didn't even have an assigned emotion to it, it was just "psytrance". It could be happy, angry, sad, exciting, droning, etc.... I keep hearing people say "it's too happy to be psy". What the hell is that supposed to mean? That doesn't even make sense. If fluffy-happy psytrance sounds like POP, then why isn't it popular? If it sounds like POP, why the hell do I get strange looks from every MTV watcher who hears my car go thumping by? Why? because it's not pop, it's psytrance, it's all psytrance, wether it's happy or evil (super dark and droning is what the past year's group of psy lovers seem to be favoring). Almost all of this year's (2005) releases have been on the dark side, and it seems that a huge group of newcommers who love this melodyless style is looking at ONLY this style, and think this one style IS and only is psytrance.
Labeling aside, if fluffy psy sounded as "pop" as you guys say it does, then it would be playing all over the world, but it's not. I wish it were though.
My understanding of "trance" music is that the affect it's supposed to have on you is implicit in it's name. It's supposed to make you feel like you're in a trance-like state. That being said, a trance-like state can be achieved in any kind of emotion; happy, mad, scared, etc... That's why there's that extremely happy club style trance like Darude, Alice Deejay etc.. and super dark and scary stuff like Xenomorph to keep you freaked out. There's also energetic and twisted psytrance which I think groups like Hallucinogen and Infected Mushroom would go into (referring to their last two albums), which have a more positive (but not jovial) and twisted feel, but still put me in trance when I get into it. Soo...what's the deal here? Even "psychedelic" doesn't have a positive or negative emotion assigned to it. I consider "psy" to be a "twisted" feel, which can be applied to ridiculously happy to extremely upsetting feelings and be called psy in each case. You can listen to psytrance with all different emotions and it's still psytrance. |
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scraper
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Posted : Apr 30, 2005 14:26
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The people that the artists make their music for nowadays, are the people who are watching mtv.
It isn't pop on the level of britney but it's getting there atleast in israel it is. I just came back from Raveolution a festival in israel and what I saw from one of the psytrance legends (Infected Mushroom) was just horrific. they had some female dancers that were not related to the music in any way. then for no apparent reason, these girls start making out with each other and the crowd goes wild. now to me that's not psy or related to psy in any way. that is, imo, aimed at pop audience.
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IntelabeaM
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Posted : Apr 30, 2005 16:13
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TheCreamFilling , ur words are wisdom words to a crowd that lost intrest in them . i cant agree with you more , i can only add that i love the fluf !  and i loved it befor ..california sunshine i think was a big fluf and i loved it !! still do! ..the "psy" world has become so nero minded , that if u dont make the spesifick sounds that ppl got use'd to hearing as " psy" then ur not psy , if thay dont see the butiful ppl thay want to see in partys , its not good party , and the list goes on. when i came in to the trance world the thing i loved about it the most was the freedom to be who u want to be with no one to tell u , this is not good or that , every thing was ok all the music was welcom , if i didnt like it i didnt listen to it , but it has its plais any way .
the fact is that this seen is growing , and in order for it to grow it needs to get more profesional and biger , so scraper ..i dont think u sow in the ravolotion somthing that u didnt know was goign to happend , and im sure it was a big sucsess , if u dont wont to take part in that , just dont go there , im sure there are tons of trance acts that ppl who dont like the "pop" music line can find them selfs with them ..and may the "pop" one's get more popular i say , that's the way for us the trance seen to move from being a drug comunety ( wich i dont say it is but iven here in israel its still related to that big time !) to a music comunety .
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TheCreamFilling
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Posted : Apr 30, 2005 21:44
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Thanks IntelabeaM, I agree with what you said.
Scraper, did IM play new songs that were more "pop" sounding or was it just the dancing girls that you didn't like? |
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Tundra
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Posted : May 1, 2005 00:02
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I think there's definately a difference between cheesy fluff and intelligent morning trance. I love uplifting music but I hate cheese! I also love it when girls make out with each other and probably would've been in the crowd, going off ... 
A beer in the hand is worth 2 in the fridge
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scraper
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Posted : May 1, 2005 00:49
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They played all their big hits and some new songs I really didn't care for.... there's a new song with duvdev singing... ugh. I enjoyed only one track in their set. was a new track with guitars, was pretty damn amazing.
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Kaz
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Posted : May 1, 2005 07:26
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Both sides in the "fluffy, yes or no" debate are equally retarded. By prefering one over the other you are no better than any other person who says "hey, this music is better because I like it". Tundra had a point here - if all "fluffy" music was totally awesome, and all not "fluffy" music was totally shite, then fluffy music would be a whole lot more popular.
This is not the case. It's a matter of taste, and my personal taste says that psytrance music is just shite at being fluffy compared to Electro, House, and Techno, which are more well-tuned to this vibe in a very general way. Ohh, and from the average MTV fan the strange looks also go out to techno nuts, DnB freaks and actually to most music that's defined as "electronic" (even though Garbage are very electronic but are not considered such by the average MTV fan that's sure that ATB is underground stuff) - so that argument is not really to the point anyways.
I got strange looks for playing some Thievery Corporation, not exactly the epitome of 'underground' music, whatever that means. In the end, this whole issue is just a matter of how much you like the music you like, and how pissed off you are at others that think differently. http://www.myspace.com/Hooloovoo222 |
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TheCreamFilling
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Posted : May 1, 2005 10:32
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kaz...I dont know where you got the idea that my post is an opinionated fluffy vs. non-fluffy thread. It's not. It's about about how lots of people who love only "dark" psy say that anything that is happy,fluffy, or "cheeze" cant be "psy-genre". This attitude seems to have come out of nowhere and it's not necessary, and anyone who keeps saying such things only flaunts their ignorance about psy music. |
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Psilogos
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Posted : May 1, 2005 16:01
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in my opinion this so called pop tracne or cheeze full on if u like is called trance pop not because it's actually pop but for the reason that most of the tunes been written by certain formula that in its structure is simple and repatative and brings nothing new ,if its psychedlic or not its a relative thing, for one that used to listen to britney spear it will defintly sound psychedlic but for someone who listen to psy trance for years this formula is just too familier and dull ,it dosent have the power to take you to where it should,melodies and fluff has been huge part in the psy trance in the early stages ,at certain point IMO it lost its substance ,the melodies and pattrens stoped carry the emotional strength and power and just became a dull imitation of eachother,and that takes us to our time of music supermarket and shallow tracks and the clones of clones of clones attitude in music making.
all the dark of our days try to change that ,as i see it ,some of the "new" night and "dark" sounds is just getting back to the right track after all the trance scene took a wrong turn back sevrel years ago to a dead end.after a long period of too much melodies have to come a counter,in hard and dark set u can still see happy and smiling ppl because the music actually takes them to where they wanna go,which is a relative thing also. |
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Zombi
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Posted : May 1, 2005 16:52
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Why ? coze they dont know fly;)
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Kaz
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Posted : May 1, 2005 17:14
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On 2005-05-01 10:32, TheCreamFilling wrote:
kaz...I dont know where you got the idea that my post is an opinionated fluffy vs. non-fluffy thread. It's not. It's about about how lots of people who love only "dark" psy say that anything that is happy,fluffy, or "cheeze" cant be "psy-genre". This attitude seems to have come out of nowhere and it's not necessary, and anyone who keeps saying such things only flaunts their ignorance about psy music.
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What I wrote is that people who name threads "why do people like/dislike <whatever> style of music" ignores the obvious answer: people have a right to their own tastes.
Just look at Zombi's smug and very condensending answer and think - aren't guilty of doing the same thing?
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shahar
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Posted : May 1, 2005 23:16
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I like fluffy.
I also like not fluffy.
But some fluff is definitely something I need in a party...
Small fluffy clouds...
BTW, CreamFilling- this thing you describe is there since ppl started talking about this music- lately I've been wondering maybe that was a wrong thing to do... maybe it's better to just listen and mainly dance. That puts a big question mark above this forum, doesn't it
At least there are some fluffy clouds up there as well...
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-=spectro=-
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Posted : May 1, 2005 23:50
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well guys, sorry but to me cheesey, fluffy, happy music sounds POP , and i think psy-trance can't be like that for its meaning, must be something a little more "out", not for everyone taste, something very selected; another thing is, psychedelic is something between real and unreal, between happiness and darkness, to be psy can't be so happy, that's my opinion. i take the DARK side, i'm a night lover, but for sure always top quality music, i also love psychedelic morning full on, i mean sirius music, high tech stuff, everything that takes real psy for real.
if someone is interest in real dark psy, stay prepared for BLACK DROP RECORDS first release, middle of june, more info soo here!
boom boom
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TheCreamFilling
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Posted : May 2, 2005 01:40
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On 2005-05-01 23:50, -=spectro=- wrote:
i mean sirius music, high tech stuff, everything that takes real psy for real.
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you've gotta lose that attitude. that kindof point of view makes all of us electronic music lovers look bad to the majority who listen to everything else. it also makes you look stupid. |
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jack the tripper
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Posted : May 2, 2005 11:00
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On 2005-04-30 14:26, scraper wrote:
I just came back from Raveolution a festival in israel and what I saw from one of the psytrance legends (Infected Mushroom) was just horrific. they had some female dancers that were not related to the music in any way. then for no apparent reason, these girls start making out with each other and the crowd goes wild.
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sorry for going off topic but that is sad man....i thought this only happened in delhi......but at a festival??nono....this is not good.....i would have bad tripped...........
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