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why are Live acts always louder than DJ's ?

mr_sparx
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Posted : Nov 12, 2006 21:31
is it cause of the extra gain off the laptop?           For those that understand no explanation is necessary ; for those that dont , no explanation is possible
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Krell
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Posted : Nov 12, 2006 22:04
I havent noticed any difference of one over the other in regards to volume.

As a matter of fact, at a good party there is usual a sound technician in place to make sure the levels are kept.

Not to mention the fact that in a lot of clubs, and on a lot of PAs there are limiters installed to make sure it doesnt get too loud.

Perhaps its a matter of sound quality ? Bad sound quality sounds louder than good sound quality, heavier on the ears.

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Kane
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Posted : Nov 13, 2006 00:25
They shouldn't be..but if that is the case sometimes, then I would suggest its because of the difference between playing well mastered tracks and playing in Ableton Live where it's unmastered..

In Ableton, you can clip without disorting, so maybe the live acts you're seeing are clipping and not turning the master vol. down..
soulfood
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Posted : Nov 13, 2006 01:24
Don't know if this has anything to do with anything, but in ableton live is it possible to have 24 bit playback, as opposed to cd's which are a 16bit format? Don't know if that is true or even makes any difference in the effect of the overall volume, but maybe something to think about?
koalakube
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Posted : Nov 13, 2006 06:04
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On 2006-11-13 01:24, soulfood wrote:
Don't know if this has anything to do with anything, but in ableton live is it possible to have 24 bit playback, as opposed to cd's which are a 16bit format? Don't know if that is true or even makes any difference in the effect of the overall volume, but maybe something to think about?




No it doesnt matter at all.
koalakube
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Posted : Nov 13, 2006 06:08
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On 2006-11-13 00:25, qane wrote:
In Ableton, you can clip without disorting




In your opinion , What is the difference beetwen clipping and distorting ?
Yidam
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Posted : Nov 13, 2006 06:13
I've seen promotors pump the volume up for the main act (so it sounds more grand) or sometimes even DJs in their own clan. Its sad but it happens.
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Posted : Nov 13, 2006 08:08
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On 2006-11-13 06:13, Yidam wrote:
I've seen promotors pump the volume up for the main act (so it sounds more grand) or sometimes even DJs in their own clan. Its sad but it happens.


yeah the gain game is one thats played quite often at parties. its quite sad actually.
i have even seen lousy orgs mess with the sound intentionally when an artist is playing and then say he played a bad set and refuse to pay him.
Sound Surgeon
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Posted : Nov 13, 2006 10:39
Maybe the djs play mp3s?
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Posted : Nov 13, 2006 10:46
I'am always asking more volium when i do LIVE.
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Kane
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Posted : Nov 14, 2006 00:02
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On 2006-11-13 06:08, koalakube wrote:
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On 2006-11-13 00:25, qane wrote:
In Ableton, you can clip without disorting




In your opinion , What is the difference beetwen clipping and distorting ?



I'm not even sure of this..I just know that Ableton will let you clip to a certain extent without losing too much sound quality..

I'm pretty sure that this is just the difference between mastered tracks and Ableton's performance, has to do with the RMS Power difference in mastered tracks and unmastered Live..

I'm really against the idea of turning up the volume of a live act as opposed to the DJ..I think it should just be kept at 110-120 dB nomatter what..I suggest that party promoters and managers put some sort of limiter on the PA system to prevent the "gain game"..

On the other hand, as an artist, I value the Live Act over the DJ any day, and I wouldn't really mind if the volume was turned up a bit for the live act..

@Sound Surgeon - that wouldn't have anything to do with it..an mp3 and a wav have the same amount of RMS Power, its just a difference in bitrate and sound quality..
Soul Kontakt
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Posted : Nov 14, 2006 01:47
The live act is sometimes louder because the famous Live acts are playing they turn the volume a bit louder so it sound bigger. it has nothing to do with mastering i heard this from people who are concerned with the party. Also it makes sense because if you are a dj and you play original cd's then that's the best quality you can get it's as loud as you can get. But sometimes in festivals dj's play and then a live act comes next the sound is higher i used to also wonder then i had asked a friend what they do and he explained to me this way...All made sense after that, i am not saying that every festival does it but some of them do.

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ocelot
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Posted : Nov 14, 2006 09:40
sometimes the live act has TOO high of levels coming off his/her soundcard- and it sounds distorted and everyone turns down the trim on the mixer instead and then its just quiet and distorted until someone turns down the soundcard and turns up the mixer trim.

also it depends if the 'live' act is plugging their soundcard into a mixer that is prior to the dj mixer in the signal chain- there can be gain mismatches easily this way...
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Posted : Nov 17, 2006 22:13
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On 2006-11-14 09:40, ocelot wrote:
sometimes the live act has TOO high of levels coming off his/her soundcard- and it sounds distorted and everyone turns down the trim on the mixer instead and then its just quiet and distorted until someone turns down the soundcard and turns up the mixer trim.

also it depends if the 'live' act is plugging their soundcard into a mixer that is prior to the dj mixer in the signal chain- there can be gain mismatches easily this way...



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Posted : Nov 18, 2006 00:03
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On 2006-11-13 06:13, Yidam wrote:
I've seen promotors pump the volume up for the main act (so it sounds more grand) or sometimes even DJs in their own clan. Its sad but it happens.



well maybe that happens but one thing wat i know y live has good sound is because of quality.
dj's play cd's yes wav* but still the artists who play live and live means proper tracking sequencing then and there will have definitely better sound than an audio cd because when artists play live they play at higher bitrate the tracks coz they make it then and there and it's much better bitrate than an audio cd can take inside and burn tht's wat they do in mastering they compress it to the level a cd can burn and they set the levels and all that also.

i might be wrong also.......

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