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Who is the first psytrance artist ????
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ShivaS
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Posted : Aug 5, 2003 06:39
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imho 1st were singles by SFX in 91 and 92..
and albums probably juno;)
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Apocalypse Now
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Posted : Aug 5, 2003 06:56
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On 2003-08-04 22:38, John wrote:
(Not to mention calling the Stone Roses shoegazers...)
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John, question- what's a shoegazer? Is it a style of music? I love the Stone Roses but I never really manged to make the connection between them and electronic music. I think there is one part in the beginning of their self titled album where they start off a song with some kind of 2 minute weirdness that could have been the intro to a psytrance track. Other then that I can't see why they are bunched into that group.
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Jeff
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Posted : Aug 5, 2003 10:02
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An endless discussion, but I like it since it's a way of hearing about new groups and great tracks !
I read the Mark Allen and radio V pages a while ago.
Concerning the Pagan parties, I was under the impression it dealt with the "conventional" rave scene, but I wasn't there, so I could be wrong.
As for the Radio V timeline, I rather saw it as a metaphor instead of an accurate genealogy tree. I found some of their links far-fetched, and others missing.
And yes, "On the Run" is a nice psychedelic electronic piece of music, as was "Phaedra" (1974) by Tangerine Dream.
SFX singles back in 1991 rather sound Indus Techno to my ear. IMHO they turned Trance with tracks like "Allah Acbar" in 1992. But once again, I don't know all their productions of the time...
Never heard of the Stone Roses. I'll investigate further, thanks for the info ! 
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John
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Posted : Aug 5, 2003 12:05
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Going way off topic - but the Stone Roses often get mentioned in histories of dance music just because of what they represented at the time when acid house/rave took off - they've got nothing to do with trance - but were the biggest underground band in the UK in 88/89 at the whole time of the "summer of love" - they sound more like the Byrds than anything else & although the music had nothing really to do with house - the whole look and "feel" of the band did. (and shoegazing was a particlaurly crap title that the music press gave to indie bands that droned on and on - like Ride - but nothing like the Stone Roses)
Re: "Pagan" - I think the Uk is probably always going to be harder to categorise than many other places becuase of all the cross influences. Hippies/alternative (!) dance music did not just = what they heard in Goa the season before. There was a big free festival circuit which merged with the rave scene (which was massive in 89/90) - so it always going to be harder to say where psy trance started and psychedelic techno (which is how I think Pagan described itself) ends. The Uk also had (until recently) a large underground trance-techno scene that played trance-techno that was psychedelic without being what is currently called psy trance.
I think the gist of all this rambling is that its always hard to say who was first and everything merges into everything else and it depends where you want to draw the line!
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Jeff
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Posted : Aug 5, 2003 12:15
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On 2003-08-05 12:05, John wrote:
so it always going to be harder to say where psy trance started and psychedelic techno (which is how I think Pagan described itself) ends.
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Very interesting !
Maybe you have a few words to say about Spiral Tribe ? They seemed to have been the first in England to mix Hippie lifestyle with Rave culture ("zippies").
Mark Harrison [founder of Spiral Tribe] said for instance : "As a legend would have it, there’s a musical note that will free people, there are rhythms that can induce trances and take you nearer to the spirit world." Sounds very Goagil-ish to my ear.
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Jeff
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Posted : Aug 5, 2003 17:04
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This interesting excerpt from an interview of Raja Ram (can't find the URL anymore...) illustrates the way musicians came to the idea of making Psy trance in Europe :
“At that time, you could go into a record shop, and it was impossible to buy any of this music . It didn't exist [Indeed, it was "hand-made" by the DJs in Goa, using multiple sonic sources and manipulations]. So the following year [1989/1990 season], I went back to Goa, as I did for the next eight years. But the next year I went back, I started meeting a lot of the musicians in Goa and it started getting a lot more serious, because one started plugging in with the scene, and meeting people at studios, and discussing ideas, and when I got back after that season, we started getting into the music really full time, working on it more or less everyday. And we ended up making I think 60 tracks or something like that with The Infinity Project, with Graham.”
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Inu
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Posted : Aug 13, 2003 04:47
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How about Ray Castle, Ollie Olsen and the aussie psy scene... where do they figure into this big puzzle? 
I know Psy-Harmonics had an album out back in 93 (Third Eye)...
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Posted : Jul 2, 2004 12:32
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On 2003-08-04 12:01, Jeff wrote:
If you have more info, John, I'd be interested.
And what about the first Voov Experience which took place in July 1992 ? What kind of music was played during this first edition ?
J.
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Here's a blast from the past:
http://www.chaishop.com/realaudio/video/bom008i.rm
http://www.chaishop.com/realaudio/video/bom011i.rm
both pre-VooV shots from Sprötze in 1991
oops and here are the credits:
Legendary Entactogene Dance at Kiesgrube near Sprötze in 1991 with Antaro, Scotty, Amrisha..... Video by Wally (Hamburg/Germany)
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Janux
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Posted : Jul 2, 2004 14:17
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First DJs to have introduced electronic music in Goa : DJ Fred Disko & Laurent in 1983 (Goa Gil shortly joined afterwards).
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that is correct. they used to call Laurent, 'the story teller'
one of the first parties that Goa Gill played at was my Dad's birthday party around the same time... my dad played too.. just for a year or two... then went back to just partying and not playing at this time the music was electronic but not 'psytrance' yet.
IMO Trance started thousands of years ago.
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Posted : Jul 2, 2004 15:04
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it was god, GOD wanted us to know what psytrance is!
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epsilon_iridani
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Posted : Jul 2, 2004 16:03
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right - i assume this thread is gonna go this way then....
Moses. made psy trance.
Moses went up the mountain - saw the burning bush - which spoke to him & gave off a few fractals and a plethora of psychedelia. He came down with some "tablets" - saw a mad party kicking off - dropped the "tablets" on this party and Voila!
peace love and psychedelic trance
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Panzer
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Posted : Jul 2, 2004 16:07
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Kode IV maybe...First album in 1989, Goa Gil joined in 1991. |
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epsilon_iridani
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Posted : Jul 2, 2004 16:35
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wasnt KODE IV of hardcore techno background with his first album released in 1992 : Possessed ?
i have this album!
1. Possessed 4:22
2. Crackdown 3:52
3. Resurrection 3:26
4. State of Emergency
5. Scratch Attack 3:44
6. Work 3:57
7. Possessed [Voodoo Mix] 5:56
8. Rebellion 4:15
9. 5 Seconds 0:18
10. Tension-Relaxation 3:53
It is by will alone I set my mind in
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It is by the juice of Sapho that thoughts
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The lips acquire stains -
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Basilisk
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Posted : Jul 2, 2004 17:49
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No mention of Tsuyoshi and Nick Taylor? Blissed and Taiyo go back many years... The Infinity Project is also a candidate, as is MWNN (already commercially releasing some vaguely Goan sounds in 92), and SFX (as noted).
I don't think this question can ever be answered properly but if you consider what is asked... "who is the first psytrance artist" you can discard KLF, Kode IV, etc - as they may have made something that could fit in the genre but would certainly not be called psytrance (or Goa) artists.
If I had to choose just one I'd say The Infinity Project gets my vote. They really defined a lot of the mood and character of early Goa, from the danceable hits to the sublime chill-out styles which have always remained an integral part of the psytrance world.
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John
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Posted : Jul 2, 2004 18:38
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Thats resurrected an old thread!
BTW Tsuyoshi was playing for RTTS in the mid 90s - so he did get (sort of) mentioned! |
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