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who do u think is the best live act today?
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Bender B. Rodriguez
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Posted : Jul 6, 2006 02:34
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Hallucinogen live!
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Wizack Twizack
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miika
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72 hours ago I left for ECLIPSEFESTIVAL.COM to see KOXBOX, PIXEL, PROTOCULTURE, TEGMA, JAMES MONRO..........I slept through KOXBOX's set and Pixel's (funny story but not so funny when you think about it). Luckily I, was there to see Protoculture and James Monro (from on-stage) and Pixel and Koxbox played again. But I would have to say TEGMA, perhaps because they are ridiculously hot or because I was ridiculously high..... |
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Colin OOOD
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Posted : Jul 31, 2007 17:25
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On 2006-05-28 14:43, le barde wrote:
for little artists its another story because they all wish to have plenty of synths connected to a 64 channels mixer ... when you try it once to go that way, you must connect your machines under the rain, sourrounded of beers ready to fall down on your virus ... and at the end the organiser wasnt reachable coz he left to another planet.
... the next time you play, you wisely decide to take only your laptop and maybe a midi keyboard to have some fun .. great, it hasn't crashed .. but then you hear people saying in some forums about getting bored to see mouse performers.
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I realise this may be your own personal experience but may I disagree with this generalisation? Strongly? Thanks 
Most trance these days is made inside the computer, as professional-quality music software is freely available on the internet. I'd say that almost NO 'little' artists use lots of keyboards and external hardware in their tracks. Back in the 90s this was the only way live sets could be done, for sure, but in recent years? No.
Most live acts today want to stand behind a big mixer because it helps them hide. Hide the fact that their li(v)e set is a sham, that they are pretending to be doing things they're not doing - lying, in other words. Without that mixer to stand behind, everybody would be able to see that the artist is doing jack shit, and of course that isn't a good way to get the crowd on your side, helping you pump up your ego. "I paid $30 to see a live performance, not someone dancing behind their laptop". They try and justify it by saying they're putting on a show for the dancefloor - but what kind of weak-assed show is it to pretend to be tweaking knobs on a mixer that anyone who cares to look can see isn't even plugged in? At least Eskimo isn't ashamed about the way he does it, standing on the DJ table with his "Gesture Show".
Check out a live act with a guitarist - is the performer hiding behind the mixer? No, because he's proud of what he's doing and wants people to see it.
At Life Festival in Ireland this summer, there was a huge mixer on the trance stage - just like there is at any other large party or festival where live acts are performing. Only one live act actually used it (and that with difficulty as it didn't even have any line inputs); for 95% of the festival the only thing plugged into it was the DJ mixer. Li(v)e acts plugged their laptops into this; one or two of them even brought MIDI keyboards with them, and one very big name even borrowed one of these keyboards and pretended to play it even though it wasn't plugged in to anything. Given that the dancefloor couldn't see this happen, one can only assume the deception was intended for those standing behind this performer.
When everyone, regardless of actual talent, can put on a li(v)e show like this, it contributes to an overall drop in quality of events and releases. This shit damages our scene.
Bottom line: It's a greed and ego thing. Live acts get paid more and receive more kudos from the dancefloor. It happens because people can get away with it so easily... because people say "it doesn't matter as long as the music is good".
Now I agree that the quality of the music coming out of the speakers is what really matters, and that a good performance can electrify the dancefloor, but this is more than possible without lying to the audience; surely a producer/DJ (which is about 90% of producers these days) totally getting off on dancing like a loon whilst DJing their own tracks is just as valid a performance (if not much, much more!!!)?
All and artist needs for a real, interactive, spontaneous, truly live set is a good laptop/soundcard and a couple of MIDI controllers; the whole lot can fit in your backpack. All the promoter would have to provide is a 16-channel mixer (obviously too small for those li(v)e acts trying to compensate for the size of their manhood) and an FX unit... hell, if you've got half a brain and a good enough laptop/soundcard you don't even need that! Look at Tom Cosm for a prime example. You wouldn't need a soundcheck because your levels are balanced inside the computer... real live sets can be even cheaper for a promoter than the fake ones, whilst being unique performances that partygoers will never forget.
If we tolerate dishonesty and arrogance on such a fundamental level of our scene then sorry, but we're fucked in the long term.
Does it matter? Well it obviously does to me!  How about you?
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RawaR
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Posted : Aug 1, 2007 00:07
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COLIN my brother , i dont realy know you but i realy like you starting now .
The things you sayd here is the fucking true nowadays in trance scene. a lot of acting but no playing .
personaly i like to ppl see me when i play , i´m not ashame to say that on my live act i just take my laptop , sound card and a midi controler , the fx processor or the hardware synth is got to be from the org responsability not from the artist.
Personaly i dont care about the fucking huge mixers on stage and all that shits .
after all if the hardware is conected to that table mixer you just need to put the level up on the chanel that you use for the synth , nothing more. than you got to know how to work on the hardware you got in front of you , and thats the real big problem to most of the "great" artists around there.
i have seen big big artists doing live act from a rendered cd playing on the cdj and pretending they were playing on the virus and nord in front of them , when they were total disconected from the mixer ( maybe there are allready wireless nord´s or wireless acess lol).
stop the bulshit , every artist got is onw way to present their work but dont try to put fingers inside our eyes pretending you are doing something you dont know how to do.
GOD BLESS ABLETON LIVE AND THE MIDI CONTROLER.
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Colin OOOD
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Posted : Aug 1, 2007 07:02
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DJSarasin
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Posted : Aug 1, 2007 22:28
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Agreed Colin.
a producer DJing his own tracks as a LIVE set sounds good to me man.
And this is how i would like to do it one day.
DJing is what its about for me....Live Acts.....i don't like all that much....due to the above reasons.
I mean....don;t they get BORED?
I know i would!
When i do my DJ set.....i make sure i am doing as much as possible. Not just standing there doing a mix...and then waiting for the end of the track.
There is so much more that can be done.
I played back to back this weekend with a good producer mate.
And i could tell he was having MUCH more fun than he does with his live act.
Eish............
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Colin OOOD
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Posted : Aug 1, 2007 22:42
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On 2007-08-01 22:28, DJSarasin wrote:
a producer DJing his own tracks as a LIVE set sounds good to me man. |
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That's not exactly LIVE though, is it - it's a DJ set. LIVE music means musicians playing instruments on stage - or, more likely in the case of psytrance, fucking with the tracks somehow eg. in Ableton. TBH I'd have no problem at all with however people want to present their music as long as it's accurately described on flyers etc - that way the artists can do what they do and the public isn't being misled, as they are at present. Other scenes have tags like "Decks + FX", "Producer DJ Set", "Lively"... thinking about it, the only real way to accurately describe the sort of sets we're talking about is "Laptop Playback Set"... and the only real reason why you won't see that on flyers is because it will embarrass the 'performers' - which is a surefire indication that, deep inside themselves, they know that what they do on stage is bullshit, and the way it is currently described is dishonest.
I've got no objection to bullshit li(v)e sets as long as they're described honestly.
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Lauryn
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Posted : Aug 1, 2007 23:06
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On 2007-08-01 22:28, DJSarasin wrote:
I mean....don;t they get BORED?
I know i would!
When i do my DJ set.....i make sure i am doing as much as possible. Not just standing there doing a mix...and then waiting for the end of the track.
There is so much more that can be done.
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my thoughts exactly...
I get bored if I don't include at minimum 2 or 3 new tracks in every dj set that I've never played out before...I can't imagine the same exact set over and over again...
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On 2007-08-01 22:42, Colin OOOD wrote:
[thinking about it, the only real way to accurately describe the sort of sets we're talking about is "Laptop Playback Set"...
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ooof. that sounds so bad. but then you've got to wonder...who's mastered the art of miming the li(v)e set...
I'm also wondering...these days is the psytrance world seeing more producers who are coming from a computer background as opposed to a musical background? and is this why we might be seeing more acts which are 'performance challenged' so to speak....or are these people doing laptop playback sets really just lazy liars out to make easy money?
Back on Topic....I enjoyed the Monks of Madness (Arahat & Bodhisattva 13:20) live set this past weekend at AUM Festival in Arkansas
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Colin OOOD
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Posted : Aug 1, 2007 23:15
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Psy/goa has always been open to non-instrumentalists as producers, in the same way as you don't need to know how to play a musical instrument to write classical music (although it would sure help!). You don't need musical skills to interact with music in a live setting, just a knowledge of the software, a bit of planning/work beforehand and a reasonable level of hand-eye coordination... and here the software will even go so far as to correct your timing for you when playing live!
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DJSarasin
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Posted : Aug 2, 2007 20:48
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On 2007-08-01 22:42, Colin OOOD wrote:
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On 2007-08-01 22:28, DJSarasin wrote:
a producer DJing his own tracks as a LIVE set sounds good to me man. |
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That's not exactly LIVE though, is it - it's a DJ set. LIVE music means musicians playing instruments on stage - or, more likely in the case of psytrance, fucking with the tracks somehow eg. in Ableton. TBH I'd have no problem at all with however people want to present their music as long as it's accurately described on flyers etc - that way the artists can do what they do and the public isn't being misled, as they are at present. Other scenes have tags like "Decks + FX", "Producer DJ Set", "Lively"... thinking about it, the only real way to accurately describe the sort of sets we're talking about is "Laptop Playback Set"... and the only real reason why you won't see that on flyers is because it will embarrass the 'performers' - which is a surefire indication that, deep inside themselves, they know that what they do on stage is bullshit, and the way it is currently described is dishonest.
I've got no objection to bullshit li(v)e sets as long as they're described honestly.
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Sure, but is it so differant from the usual LIVE act?
Thats premixed in Ableton?
Same thing....just you mixing it LIVE!
kekekekeke
Now if you dropped a few riffs and jammed teh Midi Keyboard.....we can talk.
But if you just gonna stand there....
I would rather see him DJ his own tracks.
Its more work for less $$ tho.....
No wonder they just STAND there.....you gets paid more.
fuck up proper i tell ya.
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Chester
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Posted : Aug 2, 2007 23:15
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S-K-A-Z-I.......
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GOAPETE
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Posted : Aug 8, 2007 20:42
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The best live performer for me is Xenomorph, what an amazing artist. Also Olli @ Space Tribe, he is a true shaman.
Love & Light. |
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Janue
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Posted : Aug 8, 2007 22:05
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Shpongle!!!!!
If u are Something, Dont ask for nothing
If u are Nothing, Dont ask for something |
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Terrafractyl
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Posted : Aug 10, 2007 03:50
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Imo playing live can be so much better than dj'n and I just wish 90% of producers either DO something in your live set or just go back to playin the cd's...
kudo's to infected and s.u.n project for going down the fully live path, but I often find this kind of show is very different from what got me into psytrance in the first place.
but It really annoys me, after playing a live set with synth lines played in Real time etc etc that some punter will come up to me and tell me how I should just be doing it on the decks... and I can see why this happens as I'm so often bored shitless watching some 'laptop' act
The possibility of making mistakes is kinda what makes performance exciting IMO, and to be brutally honest I think a lot of producers get to a stage where they can't trust themselves to be sober enough to actually risk it. hehehe
all the dude ever wanted... was his rug back...
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