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Magox
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Posted : Jun 13, 2007 20:12
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As everyone probably knows, The music that we love or for some of us at least once loved is constantly evolving. The styles are changing, ranging all the way from the basslines to the BPM's.
Goa trance for me was more about the melodies and the etherealness or the feel of the music, that helped define what GOA trance is for me.
Then came Psychedelic trance, with the crazy atmospheres, twisted sounding "psychedelic" soundscapes, and a pinch more of energy.
Progressive came along, with it's groovier basslines, and layered elements of madness at a slightly slower bpm (in some cases).
Minimal psychedelic came along at around this same time for me. This direction I pretty much always liked, Where the bass line evolved into another sort of sound, that is easily recognizable.
The Full On madness came about afterwards, and what made it Full On for me, was the clarity of the sound, The breaks and buildups used to add in the Extreme Energy that is used. More of an energy Trance I suppose you could say, with elements of "Psychedelic" sounds added to it.
Then came Dark then Twilight, which for me is similar to Full On, except it may tend to be a little faster in the BPM area, has more of a "muddy" sound to it, different "darker" atmospheres and feel to it.
So, we have different styles of sounds that are used within the Psychedelic trance genre that help us recognize what they are.
What I would like to ask you guyz, is if you were able to look into the little crystal ball you have to try to peer into the future. Where do you think that the next fundamental difference in the style will come from?
Do you think it will have to do with the bassline, Like Minimal music has done.
Do you think it will be about the Bpm's (God i hope not)  ? Like in "dark" or some of the slower "progressive" tracks?
Do you think it will be in the clarity and explosion of the buildups like it is in Fullon?
Maybe It will have to do in how the tracks are layered like the way it is emphasized in Progressive?
Maybe a new sort of funkyness similar but different from Suomi?
Maybe Melody driven with different effects sort of like Goa?
or maybe it will come from some totally new element....
Now I know some of you are 'licking your chops' to disect and criticize my descriptions above. This is not an attempt to put a chronological order of our evolution, But more from a creativity standpoint and where we will be heading.
Where do you think the creativity will come from? Where will the Difference Lie? In the Beat, Bassline, melody, atmosphere, production, funkyness, grooviness or whatever?
Where will it come from?
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Anak
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Posted : Jun 13, 2007 22:32
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i don't really understand why you think that bassline is so important in minimal psychedelic trance?
minimal psy is about clever, slowly progressing usage of fx and synth stuff..."reducing the words but still saying the same"
imho it's not about the bassline at all...minimal psy can have any possible style of bassline.
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Magox
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Posted : Jun 13, 2007 23:16
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Mr. Anak, whether it is or isn't is besides the point. This is the third time now that you have shown your cavilous nature with me by disecting or criticizing what i have to say, when usually it does not even pertain to the point of the thread, which shows some sort of disdain that you have for me, and it isn't just with me, I have observed your cynicism for quite some time now. It is a character trait of yours; To automatically look for the negative instead of the positive in things.
The point of the thread, does not pertain to your objection of my opinion. Even if I were to be wrong, OK...............And So What!! That is not the point.
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salvia_divinorum
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Posted : Jun 13, 2007 23:24
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On 2007-06-13 20:12, Magox wrote:
Do you think it will be in the clarity and explosion of the buildups like it is in Fullon?
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i hope it's not this one!!! most full on tracks are very far from psychedelic imo and i hate the full on buildups
i have no idea what the next big thing will be, or i'll be trying to make that kind of music eheheh but i think that nowadays tracks are becoming more and more similar to each other (especially in full on but other styles too) and artists are doing nothing to innovate! always the same kind of sounds and samples, bah.
if i had to take a guess i'd say it would be about the bpm - just listen to stuff like cosmo 170 bpms and people like it!
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Bender B. Rodriguez
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Posted : Jun 14, 2007 01:25
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Psytrance has evolved very quickly. It changed directions, and numerous sub genres were created in an instant. The audience was used to always having the chance to hear something new, and the music still stayed psychedelic. Now it seams that this music genre hit a dead end. Today there is less maneuver space for innovation, and only the true masters can comply with the trend of perpetuum evolution, speaking of course about realm of real psytrance.
Others change musical genres, still staying fresh and innovative, but not psychedelic. And again, others create crappy music which they sell as psychedelic, in lack of real talent, production knowledge or of ideas.
So where is this going? Well, my guess is this: More and more producers are going to leave (as will more older psy audience), leaving the scene with less and less good producers. New, mostly crappy hothead artists (inspired by the grate bizzare contact lol)will show up to replace them, with a rare bliss from a diamond in a pile of crap now and then. The music will stay much pretty much the same, with slight or no progress at all, depending on the sub genre.
The sad thing is, the market grows for this watered down music. They will have enough audience to succeed and continue working.
From where i`m sitting, it dose not look good.
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mk47
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Posted : Jun 14, 2007 10:16
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next level / further evolution ? .. fuck knows .. but we need it bad .. i just hope it has nothing to do with bpms
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Anak
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Posted : Jun 14, 2007 13:38
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yes Magox, you're right. i'd love to apologise. i can ensure you there's no feeling of disdain towards you; rather sort of bias against the word bassline and its allocation towards certain styles. but here, my post really was totally inappropriate.
and, to jump back ontopic: we are already hearing the next change, and i guess it comes from a completely different element: vocals/lyrics. their propriety is argueable 
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Acidhive
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Posted : Jun 14, 2007 14:39
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On 2007-06-14 13:38, Anak wrote:
yes Magox, you're right. i'd love to apologise. i can ensure you there's no feeling of disdain towards you; rather sort of bias against the word bassline and its allocation towards certain styles. but here, my post really was totally inappropriate.
and, to jump back ontopic: we are already hearing the next change, and i guess it comes from a completely different element: vocals/lyrics. their propriety is argueable
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The day some psy compilations consist of tracks with only vocals (which are almost always crappy done in psytrance) is the day I quit this scene. I absolutely hate vocals in psytrance tracks. In house or regular trance there are some good tracks with vocals, but that's because regular singers are used and not those a-holes with their friggin accent.
One of the best examples is that Astrix track... you've heard Michelle sing and then suddenly Astrix himself joins in: "you're going up up up with me" etc. etc. I almost puked my guts out when I heard it. Anyway, if there's evolution going on I don't wanna see it heading that way, that's for sure.
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cascade
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Posted : Jun 14, 2007 15:15
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There has to be a really BIG change, if this NEW music is to be called psychedelic!
(Think of the 60's psychedelic - rock, and the 90's psychedelic - trance)
Today's trance music is really not so psychedelic because the sound is not new, interesting or unexpected. (like a psychedelic experience always is, unless you build up tolerance because of overuse and feel nothing about it, which is not good)
(some electroclash has worked for me once or twice - and definitely ambient/ chill out- i know now i' m out of the subject)
SO, the New Psychedelic Music could not be Trance (am I out of the subject?) or maybe it will be trance but completely different! (with natural instruments only? human chants? birds singing? waterfalls? real thunders? )
maybe it will be complete silence, after all that noise
short answer:
it will come from the future
Psychedelic Music of the 10's will be a really good mix of all music genres with a beat, to shake our legs and our memories.(not many vocals, don't shout)
Probably it will come from people who have experimented with entheogens and it is their "mission" to deliver some illuminating stories to the rest of the people.(once again)
Or people who have nothing to do with psychedelics, but are just very close to the source and reality, because they were born like this.
or.....
maybe it will be lightful music, like the past, uplifting, melodic but in a more ethereal way, not moody, not monotonous, clean, true, and authentic!
or......
FORGET THE BASS, just a kick and melodies, layers and sounds!
or.......
LIVE PSYCHEDELIC TRANCE!
(that will be really psychedelic, live, unexpected, boring and then suddenly interesting or whatever our performers decide, all in one! Can you imagine people at a party thinking: what's that? and then suddenly: ouaou! dancing!
Let's face it! That's human behaviour. that is Psychedelic experience, good and bad, garbage in, garbage out, schizophrenia and enlightment!
So the odds are that if you are a performer, then you will definitely play all of the above, because you are human! (especially if you peacefully "symbiose" with intelligent forms)
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Magox
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Posted : Jun 14, 2007 20:28
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no apology needed mr. anak, but i do appreciate your gesture.
My guess is that their will be a "movement" more on the techy side of things, with some sort of play on a background synths or something of that nature, Where the synth's or some sort of sound serves as something comparable to a melody or bassline..... A different sound other than a melody or bassline to establish or help build the foundation of a track, to generate a new type of flow.
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Soul Kontakt
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Posted : Jun 15, 2007 12:09
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Trance lies within the cleanest sound possible full of Beautiful FAT Beats to dance to and an exceptional story with beautiful soundscapes and serious melodies and feelings. I think for me trance lies in the chillout but it will evolve to the dancefloor also for sure
Boom :)
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Galaxian
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Posted : Sep 28, 2007 15:52
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my prognose: there will involve like 10 new styles of psytrance. i mean every todays known form and style will get separated in 3 new... and so on... and it will have absolutely nothing to do one with each other. like todays progressive trance have nothing to do with dark trance. i want to say, have you heard new liquid soul's rmx of kindzadza? (actually i would like to hear this ) anyways, i made up all this and noone can tell you this magox. so, i also think: it will come from the future
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Posted : Sep 28, 2007 16:24
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On 2007-06-15 12:09, Soul Kontakt wrote:
Trance lies within the cleanest sound possible full of Beautiful FAT Beats to dance to and an exceptional story with beautiful soundscapes and serious melodies and feelings. I think for me trance lies in the chillout but it will evolve to the dancefloor also for sure
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Toltally agree.
Clean sounds, with nice psychedelic melodies, followed by an intense and distorted bassline, grooving all the way back home!!!
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xrust
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Posted : Sep 28, 2007 17:11
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and if things could become a litlle more "liquid" 
think about a combination of the old liquid hardware musik,in combination with today's better production stuff
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Ellon
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Posted : Oct 10, 2007 19:58
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On 2007-06-15 12:09, Soul Kontakt wrote:
Trance lies within the cleanest sound possible full of Beautiful FAT Beats to dance to and an exceptional story with beautiful soundscapes and serious melodies and feelings. I think for me trance lies in the chillout but it will evolve to the dancefloor also for sure
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I have to agree with Soul Kontact...
Please let it be melody, soul, power - intensity. Finding diferent textures and combine them with killer bass-lines.
I really hope the future sound goes to drink from a lot of the ambient music around - true masters of psy. In this matter i think Electrypnose is ahead. I really dont want to see trance with the club/urban vibe.
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