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nobody4
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Posted : Jan 18, 2005 11:23
Hi Further!
I know we are diverting from the topic, but this is really interesting.

I do not say that the drugs are an integral part of this society (yes, they are) are bad. Nor do I think that they decieve. Halucinogenics are a mare tool for self studying and any abuse is made because of the user, not the tool.
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The drug-induced state is not the end, it is only a demonstration of alternate cognitive pathways which can yield new knowledge itself and of the understanding of the fragility of the foundation of our egoic basis


- couldn't agree more.

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but the bigger illusion occurs when we succumb to a much more powerful drug addiction, an addiction to the norms of society


- again, I agree with you.

Still, I believe that the best way is to keep a midway path between the common, normic state ('normal' society) and the 'enlightened' state that can be reached with the help of certain materials.
The Golden Path (form me) is knowing that I live in the now, in a certain reality (not one I necesarily choose, but one that most people around me maintain as 'main' reality), yet I remember that all is a subject for interpetation and personal view.

In my post I didn't mean that I threw all of my special experiences with psychodelics away, only that today I know how to integrate them better into my life in the 'normal' world. The lessons I learned via certain experiences are priceless and probably worth more that 1000 hours with a psychlogist.

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and can love some while hating others in order to survive in this harsh harsh world


But the thing is that in the psytrance society its mostly the same - people only say the are plurish, enlightened and open, yet they are exactly as any other person in the 'normal' world - dividing, excluding and looking down on ones who are not 'like them'.

sad, but true.
          auspexx@compact-records.com
NoRAh


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Posted : Jan 18, 2005 11:39
Great thread! and one that makes one think......
What i love and have gotten out of trance is this....
As a child i believe i had my spirit squashed by all sorts of societies rules and regulations, on top of a rather negative mother. All that i attempted, be it sport, study, the persuit of fun, seemed to have an emtiness about it, apart from days out in nature, climbing over rocks, staring at the sea, wind blowing the waves into my face, i can go on....
What i discovered back in 2001, when i stumbled upon trance, was that that spirit of being a child, started kicking and screaming inside of me to get out and join the other children playing around in the dirt, dancing like no-ones watching, not caring what anyone thought..... THAT was the biggest release for me, alowing my inner child to soar free, without judgement or ridicule. I see it in every trancers face, be they old, young, drugged out or not...... and that is what i go to parties to feel and be part of, and that is also what i try to take out of it and back into society with me........
PLUR to me is best displayed in the innocent mind, and to grab hold of that and spread it is a must in this day and age!
So, love and light to all the psy-trance kiddies out there.
IndiAlien
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Posted : Jan 18, 2005 17:12
Nice one NoRAh

Auspexx is right to inject a little cynicism into this thread.... for sure all is not what it seems in this (as in many) music based sub-cultures (movements if u will).

I let the psychedelic seeds that were sown in me (from 604 '99)- mature in Austin, Texas..... where there wasn't much of a scene before (tho Krelm & the Texaliens thru some BANGERS !!). Those that were in it, were for the love of the music.
I guess this helped me develope my own concept of what the psychedelic life should be....
hell, how many psyheads do u know who have gone to hear Mckenna speak and still don't understand what it means to be open???

perhaps i didn't see much of the underbelly of this scene.... but i'm happy for it.... maybe it helped maintain some of my (as NoRAh says:) innocent mind.

Back in Delhi..... there is NO innocence left.


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In my post I didn't mean that I threw all of my special experiences with psychodelics away, only that today I know how to integrate them better into my life in the 'normal' world. The lessons I learned via certain experiences are priceless and probably worth more that 1000 hours with a psychlogist.




These are the experiences I'd like to hear about baba..... care to share? Perhaps we can all fine tune our Golden Paths with your experiences

Nam-myoho-renge-kyo
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mono mono
Onnomon

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Posted : Jan 18, 2005 19:44
we've all heard this before but it's always good to reiterate-

you probably won't find a greater concentration of people who have an interest in releasing themselves, being in the moment, having global experiences, spanning age groups, than at a trance party. I think the diversity is the most important point, you can go to a buddhist "meditative massive", you can go to cognitive sciences conference, you can go to a Rainbow gathering, or best yet, you can go to Burning Man (the best gathering in the world!).
Also, trance parties have given me better access to a greater variety of entheogenics (psychedelics), on average. I've gone from treating them simply as party enhancers to appropriating a more solemn use- however the right substance at the right quantity, or not, can be used to sharpen an experience.

And, of course, I'm not suggesting that everybody is a neuronaut or saint at a trance party, plenty of self-serving, greedy or needy asses too. But, like any scene, there is a degree of focus of some sort. Perhaps with the larger scenes, this focus is now blurred; we commonly see many posts here about the bad apples, usually in Israel, Brasil, and now Portugal, and i've heard stories about Germany too.

We should look back about our first experiences, remember the feeling, and remember there are others experiencing similarly. I know this because I see it in peoples actions, words, and faces. We should be welcoming to new faces.

I feel fortunate to be involved with some of the east coast US gatherings, which aren't huge, but not too small and they don't feel spoiled. I know the west coast has this too.

FYI: The New York City scene is a beast of a different kind. It's what gave me my start though and is great training ground for the "art of psytrance warfare". (tongue half in cheek).

livelearnlaughloaflove,

-dz
IndiAlien
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Posted : Jan 19, 2005 01:03
Seems like there are still a few pure souls:

http://forum.isratrance.com/viewtopic.php/topic/52933/forum/1

whata Triple BOOMBA this CD will be

boom skis
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CoversBrasil


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Posted : Jan 19, 2005 02:51
I guess this topic is kinda for sharing experiences, and that really made me wanna share mine. I agree with all of u in a certain degree. When i first heard trance in my life I really liked the groove of it. In my opinion there is no other eletronic genre compared to trance as on its musical evolution(full-on,psy,prog,chill out, among others...) and in its capability to make your body move, as if it could move by itself only for the pleasure of gettin on,in,under or anywhere u can possibility go with it. Makes u feel smooth and at the same time eletric. Eventually u find drugs that create an illusion that this fantastic world can be another way of living, but it cant. It helped me to understand the society i live in a totally different way and care more about others, even though they might no care about me. And that happens at the world and at trance parties all the time. But if u choose to live in the unreality world, u might end up cracking up your mind, u can get into places that u never imagined that existed and be a little thought to get out of it and to regain your conscience and the power over your mind again.Thats because we need to be alive and sobber. I know how good is to walk through the lands of the colorfull and unlimited psyworld, and i do know we need this releaf from the selfish, competitive and fucked up enviroment we live in, where we can be and do just what we want to. Thats awsome. But the essence comes from the spirit, and this releaf just wont help u on your atitudes unless u really look inside yourself and try to make everyday of yourlife better and dedicated to others. Live for u, uŽll live in vain. Live for others, and uŽll live again. So dance, groove with the bassline and jump as high as u can because u love it and i love it to, and makes us feel free and especial, but dont think it is the salvation because that comes from much deeper. I hope im not being too pragmatic on my lines, but i just pass through it, went down, got up, looked back and understood what its all about. And thats why I love trance and go to the parties to pass good vibes to u all.
Peace...
furthur
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Posted : Jan 19, 2005 04:07
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In my post I didn't mean that I threw all of my special experiences with psychodelics away, only that today I know how to integrate them better into my life in the 'normal' world.



Good for you. Unless you can integrate the experience into the everdyday world, there is really no point in tripping at all (unless you stay in that first bardo).           Load Universe into Cannon. Aim at Brain. Fire.

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IndiAlien
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Posted : Jan 19, 2005 17:47
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I know how good is to walk through the lands of the colorfull and unlimited psyworld, and i do know we need this releaf from the selfish, competitive and fucked up enviroment we live in, where we can be and do just what we want to. Thats awsome. But the essence comes from the spirit, and this releaf just wont help u on your atitudes unless u really look inside yourself and try to make everyday of yourlife better and dedicated to others. Live for u, uŽll live in vain. Live for others, and uŽll live again. So dance, groove with the bassline and jump as high as u can because u love it and i love it to, and makes us feel free and especial, but dont think it is the salvation because that comes from much deeper.



Well said

peacelove
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DeSerT.StOrM


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Posted : Mar 2, 2005 07:43
if i had to list moments that i thought were more than coincidental about my life id just have to take it from the top and tell you about all 20 years of my life. just seeing everything that made me who i am today is crazy. i was always different from everyone else, and i always knew it. I started listening to trance when i was 12 years old. i have always used it as a tool to look into myself...its amazing the things your brain is capable of. i feel sorry for the people who dont comprehend psy trance. its alright though cause not everyone can like the same thing. i just think a lot of people dont really understand it. this is a great topic by the way. much better than many of the newer ones im seeing. why are there so few replies?!
darkiller
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Posted : Mar 2, 2005 09:48
well I go out dancing on weekends since I was 12 years old, I grew up on punk and heavy metal, as this scene began to fade away and I simply chewed this music up, I began looking for diffrent powerfull music. at the age of 18 when I was a soldier I tried to overcome my fathfullnece to powermetal and went out to my first trance nature party. the party took place at the north near a beautifull lake,
I remember the moment I found out the truth , it was the moment I had an erge to dance beside the lack and watch the ducks during the dance(to the sound of psycho micro), some how it all got together in such a perfect sight and feeling, then I understood that heavy music could take place in trance scene as well, and in a diffrent fun powerfull dance, and my dance combined completly with the natur and the killa music,the sight of the horizon and animals and the lake waters, I expirianced a real true Joy on the dance floor for the first time in my life, the ground spoke to me as I'm trying my best not to hurt her. For me that was finding the truth: what realy makes me happy and relaxed, I aprisiated the nature and had great respect for the world that day, I finaly new for sure that the world is a beautifull place and we are so small compairing to the wide open horizon. since that day I found the beauty in every single thing, remembering well the amazing vew I saw that day, at that great vibed,
Since that expiriance, I find a quiet minote every day to say thank you god for creating the world so beautifull.
I can honestly admit that trance scene changed my life for a better optimistic view. love the music, love the nature, it all so alive!!!
Nature is LIFE, and life is an adventure
NeutroN
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Posted : Mar 2, 2005 13:42
I have always been a curious person, and always looking for new things, always moving on. Simple process - got stuck to something new, learned a lot from it, moved on to a new thing.

Until one day I was dragged into a trance party, something which I was trying to avoid for some bizzare reason. It was then that I was cast a magic spell. Since then I have been stuck to it.

I have had many experiences (yes with hallucinogen and etc...) being good or bad, recently I have lost the spell, I have fallen out... I have come to realise that trance is just music, and that not everything their is nice, their are some very nice things, e.g. being in the state of trance (this without any drugs) and their are also some very nasty things e.g. illusions whether drugged up or sobber.

I still love trance, and appriciate all of what it has thought me and all of the experiences which I have learned, and am still trying to learn from them. But I would say that it is even unhealthy to get to stuck into it, and live ur whole life around it. Never limit yourself to anything, because if you do, it will be a massive hassle to try new things, the more you limit yourself the harder it gets in the end.

*Hope I haven't put anyone off, just wanted to share my conclusion to my past years

L           "Great things are only possible with outrageous requests." Thea Alexander
rica
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Posted : Mar 2, 2005 16:56
just luv this thread

fact is i'm still learning how to deal with psytrance

in the beginning (not long ago, 2 years to be precise), going to raves was only about psychedelic stuff (i'm sure most of you know what i mean)

after that i felt stupid to put 'it' ahead of the music, but eventually i realized how important that step was - it kind of freed my mine, opened it so psytrance music and people could be really understood

now it's all about music and spending time with people who are looking for something better for their lives and the world

as i said, i'm still on my way to the 'truth' you refered to, indialien. i might have more concrete conclusions in 6 months (hopefully, but if it doesn't happen... what the hell, i'll just stick to the music i luv)

abracos           Bhavatu sabba mangalam
IndiAlien
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Posted : Mar 2, 2005 17:15
for digging this thread up guys

and BIG love for sharing ur experiences... DeSerT.StOrM, darkiller, NeutroN, autocon

Keep sharing...

love n light
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PunkieSmile


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Posted : Mar 2, 2005 18:14
I always liked trance... but didn't listen to it that much...

But everything changed last year when i went to my first party... and what a party... It was the 3rd of april @ Brixton Academy in london, Infected Mushroom, Astrix, Sub 6... and more...

Know i have been in another parties and i'm getting addicted to the sound...

I think i still like all the things i use to listen and do, but now i have ONE more, witch is probably the best...
One of the things i like the most of this new part of my life is that it makes me really happy... i can listen to it all day and all night and it just puts a hudge smile on my face...

Trance didn't changed my life, it just made it better

Music is my drug...

ONE LOVE

HASTA-BOOM
soset

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Posted : Mar 2, 2005 18:56
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On 2005-01-18 07:03, furthur wrote:
... Free yourself, whether it be with trance music or bluegrass.




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