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whats with all the guitar riffs???
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psilocybe
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Posted : Jan 16, 2004 11:54
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yup thats it.... sorry to say, there isnt much inspiration in bad sampling choices...
i see what ur saying Jeff, trance can make every conceivable sound a reality as u put it... guitars just make my hair stand on end... and not in the good sense. artists should not be limited to what sounds they may or may not be used, i just don see how riffs <REALLY bad ones at that> can be taken from recogniseable songs and converted into a trance track... |
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Jeff
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Posted : Jan 16, 2004 13:50
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On 2004-01-16 10:24, Goanna wrote:
Go and listen to some death metal and come back and tell me the guitars are better used in psytrance .
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I used to listen to a lot of death metal when I was younger (early 90's). Though, I don't see your point : guitars are broadly used in popular music, from Deicide to Dido, and they sound at their proper place to my ear. I don't understand your notion of "better used".
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It also depends what you define as innovative sound inspiration .
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Two levels at least : new sounds or new use of sounds.
I'd say that radical new sounds are becoming rare nowadays, though I doubt all the possibilities of synths have been exploited. I hear lots of subtle differences in sounds in new tracks, not radical departures as we had in the mid 90's.
As for new use of sound, Psy Trance is a realm where artists get inspired by so many different genres, no need to explain further I guess.
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What you define as innovative is watered down , weak metal . Thats all. Nothing new here .
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ok, the gist of the matter. When I say that Psy Trance is great for example, I'm not talking about the 100.000 Full-on (or whatever) copycat acts you can find on the planet.
If you say "using guitars sucks in Psy" because 95% of the acts do it the wrong way, to appear hype, I don't feel concerned. I rather concentrate on the feeble 5% making it right.
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just not use the guitar which doesnt go with psytrance, the two clash, they dont mix beautifully. Thats the feeling I get when I hear the 2 together .
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ok, that's your opinion, and I won't argue with that of course. But for me, typical psy sounds can mix beautifully with guitar lines, in "Bust a Move" by Infected Mushroom to give an example everyone knows.
ok now, I don't know if you like this track or not, but let's assume you think it's not totally crap, and say "ok, that's just an exception !". But I'm precisely interested in such exceptional tracks, and I couldn't care less about the 95% not knowing how to properly involve a guitar sound in a psy tune.
A matter of taste, but saying both never positively meet is a bit too much.
J.
PS : I'm not asserting that 95% of Psy artists using guitars really don't know how to do it, this figure is given for illustration purposes only. |
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GEM_37
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Posted : Jan 16, 2004 14:46
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OOi another can o worms psilocybe... well i was there with you at the vortex party. I too was baffled at first .. it wasnt the first time however that i have heard guitar riffs... the metalica sampled one has definately grown on me... for some or other reason .... but the dire straights samples .. no for the love of god no!..
anyways to the rest of you who are quarreling about psy trance, metal sample and all the rest .. my personal opinion is that u can combine anything and everything but some things are best left as is ... hence dire straights.
I Myself come from an extremely heavy background and also appreciate most sounds and styles .. but when it come to trance... you dont need distorted guitars to make it dark....
anyways those are my feelings .. laters all
psilocybe L Y L L
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Ohmem
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Posted : Jan 16, 2004 15:41
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Some weeks ago i listen to a Nirvana trance rmx. It was (i believe) Come as you are.
I really hate it!
Imo it has nothing to do with Psytrance. One must/should be openminded, i know, but... C'mon guys, the man killed himself. I don't find that suitable for a party, where ppl are celebrating or having fun.
I'm not a metal fan, although i like some bands like Sepultura, White Zombie, Soundgarden (don't know if i should call it metal)...but that devil worship crap, the cult of violence and blood, just makes me laugh.
And Dire Straits?!!! Is the world coming to an end?
Why not Elton John? Why not Barbra Streisand?
One of these days we're gonna ear trance versions of Dead Kennedys, or Diamanda Galas, or Coil.
Don't get this wrong, i respect all kinds of music but i think that psytrance deserves a lot better than "Money for nothing". |
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GEM_37
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Posted : Jan 16, 2004 16:29
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Ohmem very well put lad .. very well put ... fully bru ...
And yes Sepultura is METAL...
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Dovla
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Posted : Jan 16, 2004 21:27
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On 2004-01-16 00:55, timsensient wrote:
Give me some deep, dirty drop b Korn style riffs with intricate rythms. Seems all the guitar riffs we get are pathetic cock rock riffs that sound like ac/dc.
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I agree 100%
and I hate that acid for nothing remix
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damage
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Posted : Jan 16, 2004 23:25
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then you get the proper artists that book the proper guitarist for a full week for proper guitar recordings to do a proper and origenal guitar track ;-) |
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technoid
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Posted : Jan 17, 2004 01:07
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Some good points ohmem. I hope I never hear that Nirvana track you talk about.
And that 1200 mics 'Acid for Nothing' makes me wanna puke.  Dire Straits for God's sake! Has hell frozen over or something?
I really like metal guitars in trance tracks though, they make me laugh on the dancefloor (a good thing), but I like it if they are original or at least lifted from a decent track. And please, not too much at the same party. In fact, one or two tracks is enough.
Sometimes I think the sillier or more 'cock-rock' the riff the better. Trance needs a little humour from time to time.
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Posted : Jan 17, 2004 13:45
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it's all a matter of taste, one likes guitars another doesn't... all i personally want is, since it's psy-trance, at least it should be psy... now, the (skazi or whatever) remix of "seek and destroy" is not psychedelic AT ALL... imo, it is not even trance! it's the original metallica song with a basskick in the background. imagine having to listen to it for about 4-5 times in a 2-day festival...... gross.....
keep it psychedelic and then yes, it is more than welcome. the reason why most ppl can't stand guitars in trance tracks, is because the metal guitar riffs used in most of them are not psychedelic at all, so they don't fit in right...
i am thinking... is there a remix of a pink floyd song..? that should sound A LOT better than metallica and dire straits............
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Kenji Dub
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Posted : Jan 17, 2004 17:49
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yes, there is! Pink Floyd trance is a exellent ambient trance album!
ps: Seek n'Destroy is not Skazi stuff!
Skazi can fit the metal riffs with psychedelia perfectly! They use not guitar samples...They play it.
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manu
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Posted : Jan 18, 2004 04:51
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Rock n' Rave ! |
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psilocybe
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Posted : Jan 19, 2004 10:46
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he he Ohmem, u get it dude...  |
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razzz_
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Posted : Jan 19, 2004 13:32
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i think that the reason that people love things like acid for nothing and that seek & destroy tune is because of the nostalgic value it has.....if they say it's innovative and shit....then they are just plain stupid
to my knowledge there is only 1 genre that also does these kinds of tasteless covers....and that's gabber/hardcore
'nuff said
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GEM_37
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Posted : Jan 19, 2004 14:21
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On 2004-01-16 23:25, damage wrote:
then you get the proper artists that book the proper guitarist for a full week for proper guitar recordings to do a proper and origenal guitar track ;-)
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U dont count damage...... besides when u gonna start pushing some proggy music come on say yes, say u will, say ull make it dark and dirty and everyone will cry after hearing it .... Please! |
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psilocybe
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Posted : Jan 19, 2004 14:33
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DAMAGE thats different. if u go thru the effort of recording a riff that u have intended to include into a track: fine. just dont give me spliced up samples, copy pasted riffs that stick out like a sore thumb and make u wanna flee for the hills, your hands desperately trying to save ur eardrums...  |
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