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what will we do??? trance's replay!!!
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Jason (LyTe)
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Posted : Jun 23, 2002 18:35
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We've recently had an argument right in this here forum.. where 2 sides of the argument could not, would not, Dare not agree on one subject (i think u know what im refferring to).
goes to show, even in this society, where people are supposedly open minded and all, that people will allways have differences, no matter what the subject is, be it trance music being prosecuted, be it the indo-pakistani conflict or a debate on which side you shoul butter your toasted bread (Dr. Seuss fans should know).
so, a pettition you say? regarded by outsiders as nothing more than a bunch of stoners. hypocritical? you bet.
a festival? worked before, but to a certain degree...
and i agree with wako. nothing will change. not the way we would like it; however, change is inevidable, except from a vending machine...
  "We Do Not Allways See Things As They Are. We See Things As We Are" -Ancient Chinese Proverb
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Kenneth
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Posted : Jun 23, 2002 18:42
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i agree with every thing u wrote there, and i think that wako and raver rnt pasimistic, they r realistic!
so u'd make another "tnu chance la trance" festival in the middle of TA (which will never happen cause of the "situation" in israel) and perhaps all the trancers and clubber in the center will arrive and 40000 people will come, and it will b cover by the TV in the end of the news broadcast right b4 the weather forcast, and they day later no1 will remember it! people, u dont understand, nature parties r ilegal, they r an "invasion" 2 a property that is not yours, its operating an ilegal buisness, its using drugs in public and in high numbers and amounts, its an ilegal gathering of people that break the law! what the f*** do u want the police 2 ignore? Its true, they should b more concerned in the situation with the palestinians then in trance parties, but they have their orders and they obey the law and try 2 uphold it, so stop whining!
Take a look at this scenario, 2 guys invade a non-used store and open a shop of ilegal marchendise, 4 example Crack, and they dont pay rent cause the land owner doesnt know they r there, and doesnt know that they r sellin' sth ilegal in israel, do u want the police 2 simply ignore it cause it is sellin' sth that perhaps does a certain group some fun times? and dont b cinical!
I hope u get my point, it is even stupid 2 go against the poilce while they r actually doing the right thing by obeing the law! instead u should do sth 2 change the law!
Cheers
Kenneth
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Kaz
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Posted : Jun 23, 2002 19:31
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Kenneth, I think the analogy of trance parties to someone selling crack is not exactly right. Yes, there are illegal things going on in trance parties, but then again, even in the most controlled and never-to-be-busted places in Israel (aka the TLV, for instance) you have at least as much of that going on - and it's a riskier enviroment for the dancers (dehydration is a bigger risk indoors full of extasy than under the sky on acid). The amount of deaths and injuries at parties due to drug usage is insignificant in comparisson with home heroin users, on the street next to where you buy the drugs. I know it's not an excuse for breaking the law - but seriously, some priorities should be called for. The police should save lives, not stop parties. Outdoor parties are safe, and if someone wants drugs, he'll use them wherever he can, and he'll get them through heavy dealers instead (which are cheaper, as I'm sure none of you know  ).
The police are here - like the slogan in the US - to serve and protect. Who are they serving? The people who are ignorant enough to think that trance parties should be given a bigger priority than helping stop VIOLENT crime on weekends (did you see pub areas where there's at least one fight every weekend - if you didn't, you MUST be blind). Who are they protecting? The society from the evil satan worshipping ravers (happened in Mexico)? Me from myself? Please, if I want to harm myself, no one can stop me. If I want to do drugs, no one can stop me. But if I want to dance at a party, then people should stop me?
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blue elf
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Posted : Jun 23, 2002 19:33
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things will not change because there r not enough people who believe they can make change.
and the fact that people use drugs in parties is not an excuse, there r drugs in schools more than in all trance parties, and i don't see the police go and close schools.
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Kaz
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Posted : Jun 23, 2002 19:33
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We should still TRY and give trance a shred of legitimacy (some people think that a trance DJ and a pimp are both criminals in the exact same way, and yes, I did hear a few people actually say that), tell the people that in one form of art Israel a LEGITIMATE business, and that they're harming a society of people that should not be ignored like other parts of society do. Today, none of you are legitimate members of society. You are second rate citizens every time you go out to a party. GET THAT IN YOUR HEAD. People who don't know you will think you're a criminal (ohh, he goes to trance parties... hmmm). That's wrong. I don't see why we should stand for this. We are a sector of the society, and as such, we should have rights. Yes - trance parties may have to go commercial, but I believe that we will still find a way to have fun.
No one but us will care about parties being shut down, and while I know this is fighting for a lost cause, and no one will listen to us - it's a beautiful cause to fight for.
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Psygirl®
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Posted : Jun 23, 2002 19:35
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I second every single word Kaz said, he's got a true point!
But now what do we do to change it all?
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karnaf
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Posted : Jun 23, 2002 19:48
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If there will be another "Give trance a chance" or a petition against the police busting the parties, it should explicitly say that we are talking about Trance. Not about drugs.
If there will be a way to convince public opinion that trance lovers are not neccesarily drug users then there might be a chance. Otherwise, I don't see how anything can help.
Just think of it - a few decades back they were harrasing ppl who liked to listen to the beatles, bob dylan, Jimi Hendrix, etc. Now these bands and artists are the backbone of modern music. I don't think there's a cop in the western world who doesn't know them. If we could only make others see that....
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Wako Jako
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Posted : Jun 23, 2002 20:35
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i dont think we can expect more from this place.
i mean, come on ppl...
we live in a DARK place.
DARK ppl rule the country.
there is nothing we can do about it.
i voted for ale arok last time and i always will...
but i dont realy think something will come out of it....
just 1 word from mr. ovadia (important rabi) and the whole govermant do what he wants.
what do you expect from a place like this ?
you saw what happen to the blue channel here...
1 word from the relegious parties and thats it.
NO PORN IN ISRAHELL !!!
this is a DARK country.
nothing we can do about it.
sad but true.
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Kaz
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Posted : Jun 23, 2002 20:51
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Unfortunately, I'm inclined to agree, but I still think that the Tnu Chance Latrance demonstration was a big success - the problem is that one demonstration isn't enough. There was HUGE media coverage of it, on TV, in the newspapers (and all of them note that all the cops caught were a couple of kids smoking some pot out of tens of thousands). We had momentum, but it ended there (and when Dedi Tzuker was pushed out of meretz, one politician that was on our side). We should have WEEKLY parties (errr, demonstrations), on the parliament lawn. Become yet another sector that will get media coverage one way or the other.
Then again, organizing something like that will be really hard.
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TiMMY
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Posted : Jun 23, 2002 20:58
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This is a very good idea.
ppl want to party anyway, so why won't we make a demonstration out of it ?
Just orginize a very big party in a central area every week 
I know it's not simple, but it could work.
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Wako Jako
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Posted : Jun 23, 2002 21:03
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im there.
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thalaron
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Posted : Jun 23, 2002 21:56
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what will we do???
well the best idea i have heard here yet was making a weekly party (demonstration) in a public place and say our mind...
i think it will work well cause to a thing like that i am sure that there will be a lot of ppl coming and after a couple of weeks i hope that it will get the right message through...
the only prob is how do we set it up, i mean i personaly dont know any orgenizer but i am sure it shouldnt be a problam if some of the artists here will agree to come play then i guess we will be able to convince someone like trance labels or some clubs to sponser it, maybe someone knows who were the orgenizers of
"give the trance a chance"???
i bet they will be willing to help...
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TiMMY
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Posted : Jun 23, 2002 22:21
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Just make sure that it won't be 18+, and I'm there too
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Wako Jako
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Posted : Jun 23, 2002 22:22
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just call our freind asher haviv.
he is a good man.
little wako.
but hey me too...
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Candy
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Posted : Jun 24, 2002 07:58
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Have you heard the phrase "There's nothing new under the sun"?
All of this ignorance has happened before (Beatles for ex), and is happening again and will happen again.
People don't learn from mistakes, they just learn how to make bigger mistakes.
Majority is never right!
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