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"'What's Important Is The Story - Not the Story Teller."
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traveller
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Posted : Apr 22, 2006 19:29
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On 2006-04-22 19:25, Psy_mystic wrote:
Art is not to be criticised,it exists so that it can describe what words can't.
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IMO burning people who believe in wrong gods is art. The way their burning skin smells, the way they beg for mercy. It's pure art noir! This is not to be criticized!
  "The dinosaurs became extinct because they didn't have a space program."
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Kitnam
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Posted : Apr 22, 2006 20:14
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@nathan
ok i see what you mean. you say art shouldnt be inspired by money but for many artists. i just read an interesting book from a ex-german major-label manager. he is describing how the music industry destroyed many creative- and also earning-potentials because of stupid marked strategies. only money inspired music i would describe as music which is only to fit a demand on a special trend copying a special style which leads automaticly in a flushed marked overloaded with low-quality music. if the energys had spent into more long-range strategies which means searching and improving artists with new ideas, the majors would have create more solid ecomomical values with more quality music. but the shareholder-value-philosophy (the big majors are owned by international stock-holders) leads into short-range thinking because you need to satiesfy the holders with high actual ebit (earnings) and not with future-potential which has no real. the effect is a pop-scene where you see (besides of madonna and u2 and a few other ones) every artist just with one hit and thats it, we need the next one. there is no real identity, just impact and sell, hit and run.
so applyed on psytrance this means: artists which want to create high economical benefit for the actual marked, filling out the demanded style of today are forced to stay trapped by itself. if the trend changes they will be lost, if they wont manage to change their style to it. they need to follow where other ones lead them, they decided to be passive not active. same goes for labels. labels without identity, labels which are forced to follow bigger ones. filling out the market with lower potential, just hoping to get a niche of it. but not creating. in this case if you say money orientated is wrong, maybe not wrong but it will be just a short and hard live for this people. overloaded markets with doubtable music.
an artist which is strictly creating a path of high creative potential slowly but surely with individual identity will be gain much more quality of music and is therefore in my eyes worth the big money. but the problem specialy for psytrance is that there are not big sells, so labels are forced to stay short-time orientated just fighting against daying and have no real capital potential to create long-range benefits and quality. sad but true. this is the reason why copying automaticly kills music.
each one who plays his mp3 at home and wonders about that there is no fresh inspired music out there is the answer on himself. just a circle of spending no energy into things which cant give energy back then.
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Nathan
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Posted : Apr 22, 2006 21:32
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"sad but true."
Unfortunately - yes.
-=The Meaning Of Life Is To Give Life A Meaning= |
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werlin
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Posted : Apr 23, 2006 06:27
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the way I see it those 4 artists must be the most underground, because I'm tired of earing the masses say that they dont like it, and the reason why is even more strange "because they play for the masses"
does anyone sees a duuuuhhhhh patern all over it?
how are they evily conspiring to take the worlds money if the masses they play for dont buy it?
so let me guess like vangogh, they must be trying to do some new shit, that the public is to behind to understand? maybe they are trying to get away from the car-tunning sounds or the long dead goa and try to get past that to make new experiments (ok maybe not fp...).
skazi's making rave trance, infected do some crazy experiments that I dont really understand sometimes but ok... and hypersonic's making REALLY good music (ok he sometimes over-reacts when showing his happiness in the music)
like yahel was misunderstood, if you call an album "around the world" of course its going to please all tastes in a bit here or there, but no one is gonna like it completely.
I ear mekkanika has a sample from britney spears in one music, lets all not ear it... weeeeee. I'm happy already to close my ears to new things... lets all not ear the messages of peace from our own scene, and play allong with raja-ram... lets get skazi to fade out.. or better we could start a war with nuclear warheads and everything.
my point is that goa is already dead(ok not dead maybe a zombie crawling out) the car-tunning sound exclusevely gets boring after a while so if the audience doesn't open their ears who will?
I've never had the chance to ear really old stuff except one or other track, cause I just got into trance 3 years ago. so I dont know much about whats been done before that, but one thing I can tell you that 70% the stuff I ear its all been done in the past(a recent past), and Im talking about the trance overview, if I get down to the fullonpasteofpsy the numbers jump like they're on speed, and the progressive must be around 80% of crap all done before, whats so progressive about that? most of them would not humiliate theirselfs if they just cutted the crap and called it Trhouse already. just the opposite. the only sub-g that has grown and gained more in terms of new, in my point of view, was the dark psycothic that crawled from under the dark-nighttime.
what is dead is dead. get past it and evolve... like has been said dont like it dont ear it. or better dont moan about it.
I'm gonna share with you a little something that I learned in the markting/publicity course. bad publicity can be better than good publicity.
we allready put hard-trance away from our scene so far out, that I want to try to know more about it, and I cant because I dont read deutch, and so the only thing that I can ear it that hard-trance is just tiesto, tiesto as I understand him is not by far in trance but in hard dance.
ps:and for the one's that are too far out so enlightned to say "already with the classifications", I dont even know how have they arrived here, how did you knew that it was called psy-trance? the human mind and brain, function all like the file-system in your hard drives, categorical and by hierarqy. the language done that, if you dont want it stop talking, cause you maybe at risk of categorize and define wht goes in your head.
ps2: i just wanna be clear on this, if you're making new things that others dont like, because they're to atached to change, and get trashed, like the great masters once were, isn't art so what is it? |
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full_on
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Posted : Apr 23, 2006 07:22
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What's Important Is The Story - Not the Story Teller... I agree with you Nathan.
This is what should be taken in consideration when evaluating a DJ Set.
People should stop paying attention in who is playing and start paying attention to what comes out of the speaker.
Today a Live Act has more commercial value than a DJ Set, but I'll tell you what: in most cases this is bullshit. The important is the music that comes out od the speaker, the story, not if it is Mister Superstar Live Act or a humble DJ Set.
In my opinion the "Big turn to commercial" happened with the change of the focus of our scene from the music (story) to the player (story teller).
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TrippyJohnny
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Posted : Apr 23, 2006 08:45
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On 2006-04-23 07:22, full_on wrote:
In my opinion the "Big turn to commercial" happened with the change of the focus of our scene from the music (story) to the player (story teller). |
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Amen to that! |
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Gopendragon
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Posted : Apr 24, 2006 21:24
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The both of two must be good,a ballance between to catch the perfect result.
~~~~~~~namaskar~~~~~~~~~
After the End,a new Begining startS.. |
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