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"'What's Important Is The Story - Not the Story Teller."
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Nathan
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Posted : Apr 21, 2006 10:47
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I don't remember who said it, but I believe in this fraise and think that it's a good reason to open a discussion about all the complains/bad reviews topics in Isratrance. Yes- I'm talking about our legitimate right to bush Infected Mushroom, Skazi, Future Prophecy and hypersonic for their way of pop trance.
Why I think that the right is legitimate - cause the story is more important than the teller. Music is art, a creation of spirit, mind and imagination. Sometimes it can be unconventional and even controversial. Art is a necessity of the ppl. Of the word - ppl who have the gift, the talent - has a responsibility to use it wisely imho. ppl who make art has a responsibility for shaping culture of the earth. So in order to reach t a higher level of Art The story teller should sacrifice himself and create the best form of it.
If the teller will think about himself - the artwork will become to common and tastless lollypop - and that is not art - that is a compromise and we lose the story.
Ok. So now i guess there is an artist who reads that and say to himself: "who the hell are you - why do you think that you have the right to put your hand in my pocket?"
First of all it is IMHO. And 2nd - money making isn't an art.
Art was born an the time that the artist where unappreciated. Many painters were
Considered as crap in those days and now the are geniuses.
All my respect goes to the true artists who live and create for the music and not for the money. Who sacrifice. thank you, you know who you are! – You give the true meaning to the word Artist.
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Ben P
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Posted : Apr 21, 2006 11:48
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true - infected, skazi..... make pop we all know it and many ppl bush theme about it.
its there right! and we all know how to recognize those popmakers and stay away from theme.
many others make pop in disguise which means make music with no orginalty at only stuff that bean done and worked.
imho they are the once that more problemtic and damageing because its harder to recognize theme and stay away from theme. and they don't contribute anyting new only make evryting sound the same and unintersting. |
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Raoul V
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Posted : Apr 21, 2006 12:20
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Art was born an the time that the artist where unappreciated. Many painters were
Considered as crap in those days and now the are geniuses.
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True.. van gogh sold one in his limetime... 2 yrs ago a japanese businessman paid 75 million dollars for one of his works...
You go to amsterdam, and his paintings are exposed to tourists the way pop art is.. on postcards etc...
Sometimes people cant stop themselves from being sucked into the pop vibe, even if they have been dead for over 100 years... |
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dbc
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Posted : Apr 21, 2006 13:04
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To Nathan
The thing is about tastes and personal opinions.
Every lol has a music path.
You can consider IM ... kind of pop psy or whatever is your opinion but you cannot expect that to be an universal law. It's about to respect different opinions.
If i could be an artist full time i'd like to be recognised by sales at my time although if i have enough money to live surely i'd feel paid enough just to see other people's reaction.
Otherwise I don't think it's fare the artist dies of hunger and 200 yrs later the art business gets an inhuman amount of money.
Luckily this had changed totally because nowadays art is popular and 100 yrs ago was for some few.
Can happen if the artist goes over his time then surely he'll be appreciated in the future.
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Sarcasm
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Posted : Apr 21, 2006 13:17
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yes....
it all become easier to understand when u realise that "You dont make the music its the music that makes You"
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dbc
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Posted : Apr 21, 2006 13:21
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ok cyrick i don't get your point.
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Pavel
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Posted : Apr 21, 2006 13:23
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The part about artists is incorrect. Many many artists were sponsored by their patrons. Leonardo Da Vinci, Michaelangelo and many more would never make their most influential works without proper financing. It's true that there are artists that were never rewarded for their arts but when talking about ancient art or Renaissance for instance many many artists were sponsored by rich people or the church. Think about all the famous murals on the walls of churches. It's not like they were bored got in and painted the walls.
Michaelangelo's work in the Sistine Chapel took 4 years. Rest assured that he was rewarded.
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dbc
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Posted : Apr 21, 2006 13:39
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Of course every artist has it's own history behind but i was pointing out those artist not recognised at their time.
I want to add that it's idylic to create without the pression of making money from it, but sadly nowadays in the society we live seems almost impossible unless the artist comes from a rich family or is sponsored by.
Money is a very important issue in almost everything.
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traveller
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Posted : Apr 21, 2006 15:10
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Bach compsoded music for God. Im composes music for the masses. Posford does what he feels like.
One of the above sucks. Guess which one 
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TrippyJohnny
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Posted : Apr 21, 2006 15:31
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There was a time where music had no faces. |
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Raoul V
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Posted : Apr 21, 2006 15:53
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On 2006-04-21 13:23, Pavel wrote:
The part about artists is incorrect. Many many artists were sponsored by their patrons. Leonardo Da Vinci, Michaelangelo and many more would never make their most influential works without proper financing. It's true that there are artists that were never rewarded for their arts but when talking about ancient art or Renaissance for instance many many artists were sponsored by rich people or the church. Think about all the famous murals on the walls of churches. It's not like they were bored got in and painted the walls.
Michaelangelo's work in the Sistine Chapel took 4 years. Rest assured that he was rewarded.
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Exactly, when the vatican appointed michaelangelo to paint the sistine chapel however beautifull his work, he was falling into the stereo typye of the time, support your church art is abt religion etc... Whereas van gogh was the first expressionist and so his style was still 'new' and unnaccepted...
Offtopic i know, keeping ur old signature alive pavel!!
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Nathan
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Posted : Apr 21, 2006 16:20
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On 2006-04-21 13:04, dbc wrote:
To Nathan
The thing is about tastes and personal opinions.
Every lol has a music path.
You can consider IM ... kind of pop psy or whatever is your opinion but you cannot expect that to be an universal law. It's about to respect different opinions.
If i could be an artist full time i'd like to be recognised by sales at my time although if i have enough money to live surely i'd feel paid enough just to see other people's reaction.
Otherwise I don't think it's fare the artist dies of hunger and 200 yrs later the art business gets an inhuman amount of money.
Luckily this had changed totally because nowadays art is popular and 100 yrs ago was for some few.
Can happen if the artist goes over his time then surely he'll be appreciated in the future.
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Agreed! My post was pure opinion and not a law or fact- this is the meaning of art as I see it - maybe its utopic state of mind, but artist who release music without the thought in their minds about only $$$ it’s a blessing. Sure artist disserve to earn money and a lot of money – I wish one day to earn money from a certain art that I will do – but I will never do it or turn it in a way that will twist the art and lead to mountain of $$$ - no compromises! I can work in other jobs 4 a living but I will never give up the art!
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Kitnam
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Posted : Apr 22, 2006 10:23
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aha, on the other site this means: an artist is only a good artist (van gogh style) if he is a poor artist.
interesting.
I can work in other jobs 4 a living but I will never give up the art!
let me guess: you dont like your job? strange that i ask right? |
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Nathan
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Posted : Apr 22, 2006 11:00
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On 2006-04-22 10:23, Kitnam wrote:
aha, on the other site this means: an artist is only a good artist (van gogh style) if he is a poor artist.
interesting.
I can work in other jobs 4 a living but I will never give up the art!
let me guess: you dont like your job? strange that i ask right?
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Maybe you misunderstood me. So let me say it in another words: Art should not be inspired by money - money shouldn't be the ambition of the way the artists shape his music.
Do i like my job?
since I'm young (22) and just finished the army and now I work as a guard is a factory all I do is to read books there and listen to music - so I get money for reading books and listening to music - ye but not really. So I guess I like my job in some way. I work 7 days in a week sometimes 12 hours shifts.
I gonna learn communication in the future and that will bring bred to my table. also I have ambition in a certain art section that i gonna shape as I wish - and if it will not bring - not even one shekel - so be it!
But this is just me... when I say something I expect from myself the same thing...
Maybe I m dreaming… but without dreams nothing is possible…
What's Important Is The Story - Not the Story Teller.
Ppl die but the art is timeless - it's a same when the art that stays after the artists is nothing special. The job of the artists is to spice other ppl life.
I hope you understood why I see it as a sacrifice.
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Psy_mystic
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Posted : Apr 22, 2006 19:25
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Art is not to be criticised,it exists so that it can describe what words can't.
Noone is to say if a piece of art is good or bad ..
it just is ,what comes next is : will u enjoy it or not?and if not i think its more wise to try and find the art u really enjoy rather that trying to condemn the one u didnt like..
peace
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