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What RECORD LABEL does besides taking my money?
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KosMos
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Posted : Oct 4, 2002 02:19
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to brainstorm: if you can do all this then do it... i just believe that even if you don't want to start a label in the beginning, you'll see in the future that it's more profitable for you..
to everybody else: he didn't say what equipment he has.... maybe he has a very good studio and he knows a lot about sound engineering... apart from a pair of great monitors, a great sound card, the proper software and the proper knowledge and hearing of course you don't need more to have very good quality...
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Pavel
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Posted : Oct 4, 2002 03:06
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On 2002-10-04 02:19, KosMos wrote:
to brainstorm: if you can do all this then do it... i just believe that even if you don't want to start a label in the beginning, you'll see in the future that it's more profitable for you..
to everybody else: he didn't say what equipment he has.... maybe he has a very good studio and he knows a lot about sound engineering... apart from a pair of great monitors, a great sound card, the proper software and the proper knowledge and hearing of course you don't need more to have very good quality...
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I know 
That's why i wrote he'd need Mastering.
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shahar
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Posted : Oct 4, 2002 08:33
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The job of a record label in my eyes is double:
1. present a musical vision.
2. give the artists space and time to work on their art.
I can elaborate a lot on what each of these means. But I'll let you think about it yourselves, or when I have more time.
And Brainstorm, it seems you do not need a label indeed. But then needs are a function of goals, aren't they?
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Kenneth
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Posted : Oct 4, 2002 10:12
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"need are a function of goals" i like that 1 shahar!
and as 4 the beauro' thingy Borris, if it is so simple 2 start a label y is it that everytime i talk about opening my own label every1 is saying "dont do it 2 your self! all this beauro' and shit will eat u alive!"
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BrainStorm
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Posted : Oct 4, 2002 14:59
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ok guys
first - VERY BIG THANKS, YOUR THOUGHTS ARE REALLY HELPFUL AND USEFUL
thanks for your time 
second: here are few questions to people who said things:
SPACE_NINJA: i am agree with you, im not a professional sound mastering engineer but not every musics goal is sound quality. i said that i wont let other ppl to shape my sound because i got an unusual sound and i mix too much stuff and it does sounds like i want to - i dont want to impove anything, otherwise it surely will have a better quality but it will sound a bit "too commercial" for my band and so it will loss uniquiness. Leave it, im happy with sound quality i manage to get from software
besides that - man, i do not preten to sound professional, by my opinion quality isnt the real goal of the music.. like look, if you got repetitive boring trance, which got nothing especial, nothing unusual inside but you make it at very very professional quality, do you think people will love your music? You, by yourself would like an usual trance, which catches you with definitely nothing but very high sound quality?
Soon i will get my new tracks on my page, you'll listen to this if u feel like and then you will tell me what would sound mastering studio bring me in this case =)
dont judge by my old fruity loops works and by my 1st reason made disc - that was just a "study" period, now its over !
BHOLENAZ: i am not looking for professional sound, i prefer to catch people's imagination with melodies, effects and progressive complex mixing
STAR_JELLY: i have no idea and i dislike the idea of somebodys, besides my own self to "push" my music 
except that - you are mistaken, the label doesnt pay to artists - the listener (consumer), aka auditorium (the people tho buy and listen artists discs) pay to artist.
MIKE A: im not going to sell my discs to music stores, i am talking about realisation - know what that means? Its when u bring a disc to the store and it gives u money when the human buys the disc, not before that. (Im talking about the time when the band isnt famous, and if it is - any music store will buy your discs without any doubts, if u got no contract with a label and the store got no other way to get your cds from)
SHAHAR: im sorry, but i dont really understand what you mean with "needs are a function of goals"
KOSMOS: i dont have any hardware, neither studio.
my old tracks were done with Fruity Loops, newer ones are Reason made.
noice shaping, dithering i do in pro-tools.
BrainStorm
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[ This Message was edited by: BrainStorm on 2002-10-04 15:08 ] |
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yossi
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Posted : Oct 4, 2002 15:12
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-about the sound...
u CAN make special, unboring, non commercial music with amazing sound.
IMHO... in these days, sound is as important as the music.
-about pushing your music...
like i told ya b4, if u think u can do it alone... just do it.
and 1 more thing
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when the artist is geting 500USD for a track plus % from the sales from the label ... i think its called paying the artists
boom
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BrainStorm
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Posted : Oct 4, 2002 17:52
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STAR JELLY
hey man
2 things:
when the artist is getting $500 + % from the sales from the label, it means that lable sell ARTIST's disc to the people and PASS the part of the money to artist, the lable itself doesnt buy discs
why the lable should divide my own money with me ? 
and i forgot to reply.. BrainStorm doesnt send demos, my music isnt looped - while listening to demo u wont get a whole picture of my tracks.
If u reallly interested, i dont care to send u my previous 2 discs in its full format. My tracks has its own structure, u must listen from the beginning to the end of each track to dig it really
i dont like cutting it...
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KosMos
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Posted : Oct 4, 2002 21:05
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it seems to me you have given a lot of thought to it... and you have much confidence to your music...
i would surely buy your cd if you gave it to shops in Greece (too bad though...)
my best wishes for whatever you decide to do..
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yossi
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Posted : Oct 4, 2002 22:31
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the artist gets the money b4 the cd is released... only the % are given after 3-4 months.
and a demo can be a full track... just in lower sound quality.
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KosMos
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Posted : Oct 5, 2002 03:52
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yossi.. come on dude... we all know that the label pays advance because it plans to make that money... noone pays from his pocket just to release music... even if the money won't come, it will from another release...
i think that's what brainstorm means...
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pavi
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Posted : Oct 5, 2002 13:26
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There are people doing it by themselves, though only just starting up, www.stonetone.de is a label founded by the artists, selling their music exclusively over the net.
As far as I can tell, nurturing a good artist/label relation is beneficial to both sides, if it goes wrong or youre simply a control-freak - go it alone! 'Emergeandsee' |
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BrainStorm
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Posted : Oct 7, 2002 13:44
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hey
does anybody knows anything of some israeli company called "Unitex" ? do they distribute discs over local music stores or im mistaken?
PAVI: i dont mean to distribute the music by internet.. especcially exclusively through the internet
but thanks for the info anyways, i'll check that site
YOSI: KosMos got my idea exactly
gimmi ur post address
(private message or "contact" tab on my site)
i will send u 2 of my discs.. i wont make it low quality man - i dont afraid that someone will steal my tracks.. its kinda too weird, strange, unusual music
BrainStorm
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shahar
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Posted : Oct 7, 2002 17:23
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It means Brainstorm that you should check your goal and than decide what do you need to achieve it. If you wanna do this seriously I believe you need a label to push you (the fact that good trance labels are hard to find is another story). But that is also a matter of personal character- some ppl can deal with the business and promotion side of things- Analog Pussy are a good example- others can't.
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yossi
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Posted : Oct 7, 2002 17:34
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On 2002-10-05 03:52, KosMos wrote:
noone pays from his pocket just to release music...
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the money is from my pocket.
if the money comes back or not... thats a nother story.
investment - this is what the label does.
im investing in artists that i belive in, and in the music i beloive in.
i dont think that u whould put your money into something that u know for sure that your money will be lost
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