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What makes SA Trance distinctive?

psilocybe
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Posted : Apr 6, 2004 13:21
well didnt to offend either... wrong term usage then....i was actually referring to the drunken 'ek sal jou opvok' mentality... and thats what made me wonder how effective that would be in a track

besides, cool if u get turned on by south african tunes, as u say u do. so do i, im just too selective at times keep on supporting and our country will keep on delivering...

akire


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Posted : Apr 6, 2004 15:33
I remember my absolute amazement when I first heard Roger Waters' Amused to Death. Hearing that Afrikaans Tannie speaking about killing her kids. Loved it!



GEM_37
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Posted : Apr 6, 2004 16:21
Prisma/hottentotsgod... i think ur getting way to tensed up about this whole issue... chill winston and dont give ol psilocybe so much greef.... she/ he isnt actually from SA!!!

Max Normal had no other option but to do what they did .... they have marc buchanan in there band... anyone from kimberley has to abide the the code of conduct and add afrikaans to the scene. Its just the kimberley way of life...... afrikaans is bo baas there ....... its an influential thing.

artifact also used capies on his album.... its an influential thing definately .... but psilocybe does have a point!!!!!!
liesls


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Posted : Apr 6, 2004 16:56
I guess it boils down to personal preference...personally due to obvious reasons I wouldn't mind afrikaans sampled terms in tracks. I'm pretty sure that producers won't make use of truly dutchman terms to ridicule anyone.

Bear in mind that sometimes a lot of our producers sell more releases abroad than locally. Just as the Germans, Japanese, Spanish, Israeli & all those ppl have sampled terms in their tracks in their languages, no harm can be done if itís tried here in one of our 10 other official languages. Just as we think their samples sounds wicked, although we donít understand a word sometimes, maybe it could have the same effect on them.

Anyways, that's just my opinion
hottentotsgod


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Posted : Apr 6, 2004 18:22
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... I'm pretty sure that producers won't make use of truly dutchman terms to ridicule anyone.

________
define truly dutchman~
there is a big difference between sakkie van die bosveld musiek and psytrance,so is it afr. or is it dutch...
what's the deal with cornnuts,is it a corn,or is it a nut..who are these people?
liesls


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Posted : Apr 7, 2004 10:30
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On 2004-04-06 18:22, hottentotsgod wrote:
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________
define truly dutchman~



Eg: the "drunken" terms psilocybe was referring to..."ek sal jou opvok".

It just seems that a lot of people have totally the wrong perception when it comes to afrikaans since the origin of bosveld musiek/sakkie/boeremusiek.

But times changed & like I said I wouldn't mind Afrikaans samples in tracks...would actually be cool. In fact a large part of our SA trance scene consists of Afrikaans ppl. Sometimes you can express yourself way better in the Afrikaans language... (Battery 9 guys used to be quite good).
psilocybe
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Posted : Apr 7, 2004 10:49
well i do live in pretoria...
hottentotsgod


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Posted : Apr 7, 2004 12:00
I know what you mean~;-) I was just taking the cat for another spin around the yard.
...besides,we all know what we like to hear and see when we are in the state of dancephoria,
and if it jells,kewl,if not ,give it time..~colours we wouldn't dream of wearing when we were at school,we now adore ourselfs with,we shouldn't judge artist for what they put in their music,but rather enjoy the creation as a whole,

and HeeehA!!! Battery 9 still rocks when ever I put it on
akire


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Posted : Apr 7, 2004 12:11
Have you guys never listen to Boere-Trance?
Quite a interesting sound with " trek-klavier" and all!
Definately not full-on.
marc_and_jason


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Posted : Apr 7, 2004 20:24
@Akire:is that on the song "Amused To Death"?Or somewhere else on the album?
akire


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Posted : Apr 8, 2004 10:36
@m&j: The songs just flow into each other can't remember the individual track names. It is pretty close to What God wants.
AgentO


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Posted : Apr 8, 2004 15:04
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On 2004-03-25 13:19, AgentO wrote:

in any case, it's not just about samples and localised sounds...it's about whether the south african landscapes- which are so rich, varied, beautiful and expansive- find expression in music as south african sound-scapes.

the South African poet Breyten Breytenbach has used the phrase 'heart-space and the danger of beauty' to describe South Africa. my question, really, was whether anyone hears this dangerous beauty and inner expansiveness in SA psy-trance... of course, this is just the way I think about south africa, and I'd love to hear whether others think about it differently and hear that difference in the music.




just thought I'd try steer the conversation back in the direction i had in mind in the first place...

I remember the first time I heard a compilation of Scandinavian Trance (Transient's Progress In Trance), many of the tracks seemed to create sounds-scapes with echoes of forests and fjords.

I wonder whether anyone thinks this happens with sa trance... my own feeling is that it doesn't. although i enjoy the music being made in sa, i don't think it's all that different from the music being made elsewhere.


GEM_37
Cold Project

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Posted : Apr 13, 2004 17:25
Thats it .... im gonna make BORE TECH TRANCE....

Just think how the chicks will dig me then.

psilocybe
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Posted : Apr 14, 2004 12:23
gem u turd...
eMpTy


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Posted : Apr 15, 2004 06:47
Do you guys consider the Juno Reactor tracks with the SA drummer as having a SA influence? I guess that question kind of answered itself.

There must be some SA specific drum patterns that can be employed in the production and I can only imagine that there are plenty of talented, looking to do something drummers there. I really enjoy JR style of trance and the live drums are the nuts. I just started getting into production and plan on moving to SA sometime before '06, I would jump at the chance to get some tribal sounds going. I bet there are some really earthy instruments used by the locals that would be great to sample. I like those thumb instruments they use in Ghana (I think) with the metalic sound with the dink de donk ti sound. I could go well into a trance just listening to one these layered on itself over and over.

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