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What makes SA Trance distinctive?

canyouhearthegoblins


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Posted : Mar 25, 2004 13:18
CHEEKY HIGH HATS
AgentO


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Posted : Mar 25, 2004 13:19
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On 2004-03-25 00:30, mubali wrote:
On one hand I do agree that hearing some location specific sounds according to where the producer is from, but wouldn't that be almost "cliche"? I live in California, should I put a gangsta rap breakdown in a dark psy track??? Yeah, it might sound cool, but jeez... it's almost a cheap plug. ... So put South African drums in your track, but only if you want to, not because you live there....




...I'm not sure why it would be a 'cheap plug'... or, rather, why it would be any more of a 'cheap plug' than using yet another sci-fi/alien sample... [in fact, check out the first track on the Artifakt album (continuity of prostitution) for some incredible psy/hip-hop fusion...] as for the use of 'localised sounds' being a 'cliche', i'm not sure i understand that either... what's cliched about using materials from your immediate environment?

in any case, it's not just about samples and localised sounds...it's about whether the south african landscapes- which are so rich, varied, beautiful and expansive- find expression in music as south african sound-scapes.

the South African poet Breyten Breytenbach has used the phrase 'heart-space and the danger of beauty' to describe South Africa. my question, really, was whether anyone hears this dangerous beauty and inner expansiveness in SA psy-trance... of course, this is just the way I think about south africa, and I'd love to hear whether others think about it differently and hear that difference in the music.

as to the need to satisfy the tastes of the market, I disagree that being creative and pushing boundaries will inhibit album sales. ppl are drawn to newness and inventiveness - these are the marks of great artists as opposed to mediocre ones, so, if anything, the need to make a living should motivate artists to try something different.
ApsyDrop
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Posted : Mar 25, 2004 15:36
well said.
          Mind my mind.
psilocybe
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Posted : Mar 25, 2004 17:25
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On 2004-03-25 13:19, AgentO wrote:

...I'm not sure why it would be a 'cheap plug'... or, rather, why it would be any more of a 'cheap plug' than using yet another sci-fi/alien sample...




totally agreed. how many samples do we hear from the same movies, hows that for a cliche..

very well said AgentO if only there were more artists that would try something different instead of just slotting in and cashing up...
exotic
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Posted : Mar 27, 2004 15:54
u guys r too full on.. love prclt and shift .. rinkadink kiks ass.. lovely atmos.. brilliant baselines... u guys r redefining trance ppl.. keep up the gud shit and let it flow...
hottentotsgod


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Posted : Mar 28, 2004 14:18
atmosphere,depth,dimensional shift,smilo meter...all and more,and trust me,being in an ex communist/democratic wannabe country where most (very rare) outdoor party gets raided,one tends to miss VERY much that distinct SA flavour,not to mention the ppl and fresh air,
Lophi and peace
Hottentotsgod
Prisma


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Posted : Mar 31, 2004 10:37
ENOUGH WITH AMERICAN VOCALS, USE some local vocals rather, We have our own unique distinctive sound, its just the vocals that are lacking, im tired of hearing, "Wheres the Acid" or "Whats that...Look over there" in some other international accent (mostly American, try keep it distinctively south african, have a "Hosh, Drop the Suspension" (Cape Coloured accent) or a "Eish, that is the business" (South African Black) or a "Jy is in yo moor" (traditional White Afrikaaner accent) etc... Most South African People would understand, Sorry to the international ppl

But ya, these are ideas, take them, dont take them, it would be a lotta nicer for the South African crowd to hear, True South African trance with some South African vocals, i made a few tracks with some vocals from Stander or Shaka Zulu, it actually sounds pretty Ownage! Check it out.
::bedbug::


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Posted : Apr 2, 2004 16:47
International Psytrance was turning to techno-trance, or clubby-trance or just techno, loosing the psychédélik and heavy-groovy root...and then SA producers came...and they brought back all of it, maybe more, but at least, brought to ppl the 'envy' to gig back...
so, thankz 2 all ov you.
psilocybe
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Posted : Apr 5, 2004 09:57
hmm Prisma i dunno, personally a dutchman accent in a track would kinda make me lose the plot, and not in that good way...
hottentotsgod


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Posted : Apr 5, 2004 15:56
Well psilopube~just because you didn't bother to learn to understand afrikaans,doesn't mean you can cut 340 years of afrikaners being in S.A short by jumping back and assuming we find being called dutchman cute or pommified~perhaps you find hearing a cute little japanese girls voice more arrousing~carefull who you call dutchman,we R all african,not always black,but definatly not red necked ;~/
psilocybe
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Posted : Apr 5, 2004 20:26
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On 2004-04-05 15:56, hottentotsgod wrote:
perhaps you find hearing a cute little japanese girls voice more arrousing~carefull who you call dutchman,we R all african,not always black,but definatly not red necked ;~/



cute...not into cheesy sampling...fullstop...not calling anyone rednecked there mate, its just called an OPINION, look it up if need be...
Prisma


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Posted : Apr 6, 2004 10:56
psilocybe: Take a look at max normal, he has plenty of afrikaans samples, and they own,
he has kept a distinct south african sound and for me to hear south africans voices in tracks, will make me go off,cause you rarely hear them in tracks... not because they are afrikaans or black or coloured or whatever
psilocybe
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Posted : Apr 6, 2004 11:31
oi...i have no problem with artists dabbling with local samples...i just dont like sampling for the sake of sampling in general is all, and hearing something like that would not be my cup of tea. as far as i know artifakt has done that as well, dabbled with cape coloured samples, if im not mistaken? im not saying i dont admire his work, but as u say Prisma, that might make u go off, but not me...thats all... oh and prayingmantis dude, who says i cant speak afrikaans?
b2c


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Posted : Apr 6, 2004 12:43
Quote Shift: Money talks... but passion would be surely louder and more powerful if you believed enough...           Smile, its a new day!
hottentotsgod


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Posted : Apr 6, 2004 13:07
maybe it's because I've travelled,and still are that hearing anything remotely south african turns the phiricals on in my bloodpump~sorry got offended ,don't like the connectations to "dutchman",as an afrikaner I too refer to someone as a dutchman when he is a drunken ass who is more out to fight than to.....
but when you generalize that term to the spoken word~.Ask any of your afrikaans buddies,if you have any whether they like being called that.
Back to the topic,what your speaking about are aberations,or neoro associations...basically it is your mood changing according to the stimulus,be it smells,sounds,sights,feelings.So maybe if you have a bad association with afrikaans(maybe some afrikaans tek guys used to beat you up after school)ect. you will instantly crinch at hearing some afr. in it,as would a Xhosa who perhaps vividly remembers some zulu dudes beating him up at the shebeen,screaming at him in zulu.
So the best we can do is change our perception of all things in life,be it languages or sights,that's what our tribal culture is ultimately about change,and that is how we activate/fully utilize our
DNA &brain,listen to some real "dutchmen" at work in the Netherlands, try Uphonic Records,Psygrun records,Doof records and Dj.Tiesto,listen to them sampling in some local flavour and then prepare your self to hear some afrikaans whilst dancing in the middle of Russia..

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