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What is your opinion about the relation between Psytrance scene and Darkpsy idiom?
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uforica025
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Posted : Dec 11, 2007 21:30
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As i saw many other matters topics having
this discussion, i start this one, to discuss this thing here, without going off topic to others.
My personal opinion, is well known i think...
as i can find more relation of darkpsy idiom
with Death/thrash/speed/whatever metal than
with psytrance (musically, spiritually and attitude speaking)
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MOONSUN-RECORDS.gr
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Posted : Dec 11, 2007 21:35
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look full on is a more melodic style of music
and more popular dark is also good depends
cose very few people know good dark
but in general both are just difrent styles of music
i say full on more know at the moment and
will always be more popular
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uforica025
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Posted : Dec 11, 2007 21:46
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On 2007-12-11 21:35, MOONSUN-RECORDS.gr wrote:
look full on is a more melodic style of music
and more popular dark is also good depends
cose very few people know good dark
but in general both are just difrent styles of music
i say full on more know at the moment and
will always be more popular
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do you saw any full-on here? I'm talking about psytrance, PSY - Trance.
That includes many co-styles not only full-on...
the discuss is NOT between full-on and dark lovers, i hope will be to if darkpsy have something to do with psytrance exept that both had made them with computers etc...
try to present your ideas here, i hope do not turn this topic like the others, a fight between full-on and dark-psy lovers...
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MOONSUN-RECORDS.gr
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Posted : Dec 11, 2007 21:53
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styles i heard a rmx 1 time of rubas sexo erotefthi
was killer 1
i think greek psy must be born
mabe rmx of papakostadinu or tripes or pix lax
how u like that idea uforica
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d1m1tr1
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Posted : Dec 11, 2007 21:53
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of course dark psy has... and many think 'darkpsy' is not the right term
it's a sub genre of psychedelic trance...
again u open the same subject my friend...
also on the cretan party i saw u are affiliated with moonsun rec / and HSS
both have release dark psy, and HSS is specialized there i know it well
so......
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uforica025
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Posted : Dec 11, 2007 22:01
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On 2007-12-11 21:53, d1m1tr1 wrote:
of course dark psy has... and many think 'darkpsy' is not the right term
it's a sub genre of psychedelic trance...
again u open the same subject my friend...
also on the cretan party i saw u are affiliated with moonsun rec / and HSS
both have release dark psy, and HSS is specialized there i know it well
so......
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look mate, moonsun and hss, knows exactly what music i play, and it was their decision to take me to their families not mine...
and i opened this topic to have freely conversation about, without disturbing others.
and for sure are some nice producers on dark psy scene, and nice tracks,
but i tell again
i like to talk mostly under the spiritually influences not real for music, as music gives diferent taste to each individual...
peace + light
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d1m1tr1
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Posted : Dec 11, 2007 22:05
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i didnt mean it was your decision or not, but they also support this style... seems u don't
because some people related with darkpsy use this extreme 'idioms' it does mean that all the sub-genre is like that?
and that we hv no spirituality with trance? or we are not related musically?
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virava
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Posted : Dec 11, 2007 22:55
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they are closely related of course.
darkpsy is one of the two smartest styles of psytrance today.
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DETOX
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Posted : Dec 12, 2007 01:14
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Darkpsy is not affiliated with psy trance,some people want it to be affiliated with psy trance just because they need promotion and exposure.
If Dark Psy would begin on its own and wasnt affiliated with psychedelic trance then today noone would know about it but now everybody who is involved with psy trance knows that a thing called dark psy exists.
Dark Psy took advantage of psy trance and used it in order to promote itself.
I mean what does the music of Hallucinogen,Tristan,Prometheus,Etnica,Deedrah,Logic Bomb or even more commercial and full on artists like Astrix,GMS and Talamasca have to do with dark psy?
The bpm's are different,the atmosphere in the tracks is different,the music building and style is different,the feelings promoted are different,the whole ideology is different and i cant find any similarities at all of Dark Psy with either psychedelic trance or full on or whatever.
And not only the music is different but the way each music promotes itself is different,i mean Dark Psy artists (the majority of them at least) include demons,skulls,satan,evil creatures,black magic signs and more on their album covers and personal websites and often name themselves using names that refer to death (Sipsis for example) or to satan (Baphomet Engine for example) or other elements that are more affiliated with thrash and death metal and gabba and happy hardcore than psy trance.
There is absolute no connection between Dark Psy and Psy Trance.
Son Kite,Atmos,Emok,Vibrasphere and Ticon are closer to psy trance than any dark psy artist.
Dark Psy has more common points with other styles of music like Noise or Gabba but these styles of music are not famous at all in our days so Psy Trance was a good alternative choice to promote Dark Psy and it worked indeed.
This is my humble opinion.
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AbsolutZero(D.V.M.)
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Posted : Dec 12, 2007 01:31
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On 2007-12-12 01:14, DETOX wrote:
Darkpsy is not affiliated with psy trance,some people want it to be affiliated with psy trance just because they need promotion and exposure.
If Dark Psy would begin on its own and wasnt affiliated with psychedelic trance then today noone would know about it but now everybody who is involved with psy trance knows that a thing called dark psy exists.
Dark Psy took advantage of psy trance and used it in order to promote itself.
I mean what does the music of Hallucinogen,Tristan,Prometheus,Etnica,Deedrah,Logic Bomb or even more commercial and full on artists like Astrix,GMS and Talamasca have to do with dark psy?
The bpm's are different,the atmosphere in the tracks is different,the music building and style is different,the feelings promoted are different,the whole ideology is different and i cant find any similarities at all of Dark Psy with either psychedelic trance or full on or whatever.
And not only the music is different but the way each music promotes itself is different,i mean Dark Psy artists (the majority of them at least) include demons,skulls,satan,evil creatures,black magic signs and more on their album covers and personal websites and often name themselves using names that refer to death (Sipsis for example) or to satan (Baphomet Engine for example) or other elements that are more affiliated with thrash and death metal and gabba and happy hardcore than psy trance.
There is absolute no connection between Dark Psy and Psy Trance.
Son Kite,Atmos,Emok,Vibrasphere and Ticon are closer to psy trance than any dark psy artist.
Dark Psy has more common points with other styles of music like Noise or Gabba but these styles of music are not famous at all in our days so Psy Trance was a good alternative choice to promote Dark Psy and it worked indeed.
This is my humble opinion.
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CLAW
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Posted : Dec 12, 2007 01:41
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uforica, the same topic appeared more times than i can remember now, and it has been discussed numerous time is this forum...
If you just try to use the search engine, most of your questions will be answered...
Unless you are referring to the greek listeners and this includes you inside...
You say that:
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but i sense a slight mark of irony in your posts...
What it means "as far as spirituality" What is spirituality for you? No necessary music is connected with this. Or all listeners are following this theory...
What minimal tech house has to do with soulful house and funky house... Its still under the umbrella of house though.
It means that is not good? It doesnt count in house scene? Of course it does...
And night time 'dark' psytrance also fall under the umbrella of 'PSYtrance'...
If some ppl want to promote their music and style with a specific way thats their own problem. I never say that 'dark psy' like the way they want to call it, has any connection with evil and i never intend to...
Its one of the many styles that has followers, listeners and is been supported for long time now...
It progress and with the one way or the other sub genres appear trying to diversify...
Some names mentioned above, consider to be 'leading' names in psy trance... What electric guitars have to do with Psy trance...?? Huh? But still, their music falls under the umbrella of psychedelic music...
So as you see my friend, giving a name to a style, there is no need to associate it with nothing and everything... Just listen what you want, and believe what you want, and nobody is harm!
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uforica025
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Posted : Dec 12, 2007 12:45
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On 2007-12-12 01:14, DETOX wrote:
Darkpsy is not affiliated with psy trance,some people want it to be affiliated with psy trance just because they need promotion and exposure.
If Dark Psy would begin on its own and wasnt affiliated with psychedelic trance then today noone would know about it but now everybody who is involved with psy trance knows that a thing called dark psy exists.
Dark Psy took advantage of psy trance and used it in order to promote itself.
I mean what does the music of Hallucinogen,Tristan,Prometheus,Etnica,Deedrah,Logic Bomb or even more commercial and full on artists like Astrix,GMS and Talamasca have to do with dark psy?
The bpm's are different,the atmosphere in the tracks is different,the music building and style is different,the feelings promoted are different,the whole ideology is different and i cant find any similarities at all of Dark Psy with either psychedelic trance or full on or whatever.
And not only the music is different but the way each music promotes itself is different,i mean Dark Psy artists (the majority of them at least) include demons,skulls,satan,evil creatures,black magic signs and more on their album covers and personal websites and often name themselves using names that refer to death (Sipsis for example) or to satan (Baphomet Engine for example) or other elements that are more affiliated with thrash and death metal and gabba and happy hardcore than psy trance.
There is absolute no connection between Dark Psy and Psy Trance.
Son Kite,Atmos,Emok,Vibrasphere and Ticon are closer to psy trance than any dark psy artist.
Dark Psy has more common points with other styles of music like Noise or Gabba but these styles of music are not famous at all in our days so Psy Trance was a good alternative choice to promote Dark Psy and it worked indeed.
This is my humble opinion.
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you said it all mike 
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wicc@
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Posted : Dec 12, 2007 12:50
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i think psytrance and darkpsy
is smth like
zen and darkzen
old path, new beggining
boomboom
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uforica025
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Posted : Dec 12, 2007 13:13
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On 2007-12-12 01:41, CHP wrote:
uforica, the same topic appeared more times than i can remember now, and it has been discussed numerous time is this forum...
If you just try to use the search engine, most of your questions will be answered...
Unless you are referring to the greek listeners and this includes you inside...
You say that:
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and for sure are some nice producers on dark psy scene, and nice tracks, |
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but i sense a slight mark of irony in your posts...
What it means "as far as spirituality" What is spirituality for you? No necessary music is connected with this. Or all listeners are following this theory...
What minimal tech house has to do with soulful house and funky house... Its still under the umbrella of house though.
It means that is not good? It doesnt count in house scene? Of course it does...
And night time 'dark' psytrance also fall under the umbrella of 'PSYtrance'...
If some ppl want to promote their music and style with a specific way thats their own problem. I never say that 'dark psy' like the way they want to call it, has any connection with evil and i never intend to...
Its one of the many styles that has followers, listeners and is been supported for long time now...
It progress and with the one way or the other sub genres appear trying to diversify...
Some names mentioned above, consider to be 'leading' names in psy trance... What electric guitars have to do with Psy trance...?? Huh? But still, their music falls under the umbrella of psychedelic music...
So as you see my friend, giving a name to a style, there is no need to associate it with nothing and everything... Just listen what you want, and believe what you want, and nobody is harm!
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1. as about spirituality off course psytrance have a huge spiritual basis, from the early goa years, where the first involved ppl, had also write some kinds of spiritual manifesto to their albums (take a look to return to the source or other first goa albums...)to show to ppl a new way of seeing life.
this wasn't happens suddenly, it hads it's background back to '60-'70 psychedelic scene
and the hippie's and traveler's culture...
now what about is represented by darkpsy, i think that Detox's topic was very clear..
2. In that basis, it is very clear, what has to do guitars with psytrance, as the first acid psy groups of '60-'70 witch are the grandfathers of now's psy music, was groups like Jefferson Airplane, Hawkwind, Amon Duul, Sweet Smoke and many others that i can right in many pages...
3. If ppl want to promote their sounds the way they want, is something that don't make me say "ok, whatever" as i am against marketing system generally, so, much much more as about psytrance, 'cause i believe that scene had start going downwards, when marketing system found us like a way to be a little reacher, and then came money, fame, top 10 , charts and all that silly things.
4. you disappoint me, with your amateur point you see things, and your ignorance of psytrance background (shown by your questions about spirituality and guitars) as you are a moderator of isratrance and your job is to control what ppl write here...
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xrust
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Posted : Dec 12, 2007 13:28
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i think it is the same relation with
having simple romantic sex and beating the shit out of your woman (while having sex)
some people find it weird or pervert or whatever
some others enjoying it
someothers doing it both(why restricting your self????)
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