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knocz
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Posted : Feb 13, 2015 20:53
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Well, going down to the core, I'd say Colin's first reply is accurate, but a bit incomplete for me.
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On 2015-01-24 03:17, Colin OOOD wrote:
Sound that has been organised.
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The thing is not all organized sound is music  For it to be, someone or something must enjoy it (considering enjoy different than like  ).. else wise it's just sound.
And expanding on sound as vibrations caused by air pressure variations over time, I would incorporate that into the definition:
"Organized air pressure variations over time, that someone or something enjoys".
Now the concept of using math and beautiful coincidences found in higher entities is great, but I think it's only inspiration for what you create It's trying to find a meaning in something that perhaps is not meaningful (the base of human consciousness existence).
We always limit our musical approach by our context, and just like pagans didn't recognize the number zero in their math, perhaps we don't recognize the essence of music existence. It's all based on our perception of it, how we try to understand it, how we are able to express it, and how the listener is able to perceive it.
Like trying to understand a god, many gods, higher entities, the universe, existence.. I truly believe that we are incapable in understanding even the base concepts that define these, as we are limited by our existence and our capabilities (even if expanded due to external factors). But we find that we are all gears in such a dynamic machine, that might or might not require us in the past and future, and that we should simply be, as we are all one. This might not even be the truth, but it's enough to let our simple and lay minds be happy and in peace, satisfying our needs.
That said, for me music is something I can groove to Even if it's just going on my mind 
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frisbeehead
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Posted : Feb 13, 2015 21:58
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The two things are actually quite complementary:
Colin was trying to emphasise the fact that "in order for it to become music, it needs intervention and creation, therefore a human being". So that's a bit more exclusive then simply "organised sound" by itself. It's something intentional.
While you (knocz) brought up the fact that it also requires someone who enjoys it for the process to be complete. And that's also true. It also keeps on changing, open to new interpretations that don't need the authors authorisation or approval, assuming a life of its own - although many authors fail to realise that.
Maybe the entire universe is music, if matter came from sound it would take quite a beautiful symphony for such universe, such as that we live in, to come to be, right? But due to our existential limits (like said above), we'd better keep our definitions a bit more down to earth, or else dive deep into philosophy so as to make some sense of taking a dive in the depths of the limitless seas of infinitude. For now, I stick with Logic Pro |
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Colin OOOD
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Posted : Feb 14, 2015 15:58
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moki
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Posted : Feb 16, 2015 15:21
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On 2015-02-13 20:53, knocz wrote:
We always limit our musical approach by our context, and just like pagans didn't recognize the number zero in their math, perhaps we don't recognize the essence of music existence.
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Your words remind me of an interesting trialogue on the topic "Mathematics, Music, Chaos and the Transcendental Object" that was held between Ralph Abraham - chaos mathematician and pioneer in computer graphics, Terrence McKenna - a psychedelic theorist of fractal time, and Rupert Sheldrake - a biologist best known for his hypothesis of morphic resonance (memory in nature). At one point they discussed if maths (and in particular computer graphics or any software-based pattern of perceivable audio visual waves) could be able to represent the intensity of the transcendental state. Here is a quote that really made me think about the fact that trance music needs a more objective descriptive language to be able to represent the micro and macrocosmos of astrophysics, quantum physics and biology at all.
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R.Abraham:
I don't propose that a mathematical model of a brain or a plant would be as wonderful as a brain or a plant....Life will not be replaced by laguage. Nevertheless, the evolution of music has been enormously fascilitated by having a graphic language that to some extent recalls the actual experience. This is the role that I am proposing for mathematics, not to replace the Earth or the heavenly realms, but to fascilitate their understanding through an analog on the same level as musical staff notation."
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And this is exactly the difficult part: even if we all agreed that it really makes sense to use maths for a representation of the physical world around us ( mostly physics) , then we would not really know how, unless we go directly to the level of software development for music software. The reason is, that software development is a very objective acitivity based on logic and maths that anyone can understand and argue about. Producing electronic music is not - it is vague and at least to me the language we use to talk about it, is not objective enough. But may be I just speak too little about producing music or sound design. At the end of the day, untill we find such a unifying modeling language similar like notation of symphonies, all ideas about "maths, physics and music as one" will stay just on the level of inspiration - exactly as you say.
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fruitopia
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Posted : Sep 2, 2015 19:22
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Bass with sounds unfolding from it! |
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