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what is all that night\morning crap ?
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dj jaimz
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Posted : May 14, 2003 05:31
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On 2003-05-14 04:49, Gilad Refael wrote:
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If you played what you wanted to play, instead of what the crowd was primed to hear, then I'm sorry, but you're a bad DJ.
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altough you're waaaay more expirienced than me in this, i have to disagree.
imho, the dj should plat HIS style and be true to his musical taste. and not only play what the crowd wants him to. but the dj has to feel the enegry from the crowd and give them something to keep that energy, but as i said, acording to his personal taste.
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You misunderstand. A good DJ should certainly have a specific style of playing, but not a specific style of music. Or, if a DJ does insist on having a specific style of music (ie, full-on morning music) then let the promoter be aware of this, and don't accept gigs when it's an inappropriate timeslot (ie, 4am - 6am).
I think DJs sticking to one particular style [music-wise] is a real problem these days in psychedelic trance, especially if the promoters aren't tuned in to this and the promoters don't program the lineup properly. If the DJ in question is an artist or a label-owner and is therefore actually representing a certain style of music then it's a different issue, and in this case the promoter should certainly be aware of this and program the lineup accordingly.
I think a DJ should always try to work on a specific way of presenting the music. This is where they can be a true artist, and have a truely unique style. DJing isn't just about playing a bunch of tracks that sound similar. To say you're a full-on morning DJ is already limiting yourself. Say you're a Journey DJ, or Deep DJ, or an Intense DJ. Don't even try to be a Progressive Night DJ and then try to play at 8am, and don't try to be a Full-on Morning DJ and then play at 4am.
Oh, and there's nothing wrong with being a bad DJ, so long as you're aware of it and you're trying to progress into being a good DJ. All DJs should experiment occassionally, and if it sounds shit, then they're a bad DJ, and they should get over it and move on. I've been a bad DJ more than once. But I'd like to think I've been a good DJ a few times too. I'd like to think I'm a better DJ now than I was before. |
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Gilad Refael
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Posted : May 14, 2003 14:18
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i still think a dj should have a certain, specific direction of music he plays. for example if i like progy scando house then i will play that whatever happens. even if i have to play for myself. and for sure, the promoter will know that in advance, so as the ravers. i will not "sell out" in order to get the people's respect, i could try to compromise though 
anyway, i may be wrong, but this is the way i see things.
and it's not that i'm a bad dj, i just never touched a cdj in my life
gilad.
ps. i never did understand what this night-morning shit is all about. trance is trance, anytime of the day and night!!!
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billy ambulance
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Posted : May 14, 2003 14:24
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you all talkin about his set but you`ll weren`t there!
so.. maybe all the drugs run off at this time of the party?
maybe something bad happend in the world that time and it affected the crowd in mistyrious way? 
I guess we`ll never now...
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yossi
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Posted : May 14, 2003 14:30
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On 2003-05-14 14:24, billy ambulance wrote:
maybe all the drugs run off at this time of the party?
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nice idea...
so from now on, Dj`s will keep a some drug stokes in their cases to keep the croud dancing.
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Yuli
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Posted : May 14, 2003 14:31
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Gilad,
Makin a 'bridge' doesn't mean u r sellin' out. I, for instance, have a certain style If I will play after a minimal DJ I will start with minimal tunes and get to where I want from there.. If I will start after full on DJ I will start appropriately and get where I need from there... If i will FEEL that the party NEEDS a shakedown, I will change the bpm and the style in a less flowing way, but this case is different, since it seems ppl enjoyed the party.
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Ppl come to party to ENJOY, DANCE and pay good money for it. Many of them DONT know who plays and when. When a DJ comes to TEACH and not to flow with the crowd, there is a mismatch. Therefore the DJ should always know the line between his/her personal favorite style and what is EXPECTED on the floor and without SELLING OUT make adjustments. Life aint black and white u know
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Zombi
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Posted : May 14, 2003 14:46
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in ideal case its a problem of organizators to keep the line up logic, they must care who they bring and who play after who, its a part of organization, this way such stories will not exist at all.
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Gilad Refael
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Posted : May 14, 2003 14:59
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yuli,
that's kinda what i meant by compromising.
let me ask you something. will you play a complete set, with a music style totally different than yours?
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Yuli
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Posted : May 15, 2003 02:02
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If the question was to me, the answer is 90% of time no. But there happened parties where I played much more full on than I usually do because I was asked so and the crowd was very much full on orientated.
Anyway I believe that it is wrong to do something u don't know, therefore if I was asked to play style I am not familiar enough with - such as tech trance, I just wouldn't.
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yossi
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Posted : May 15, 2003 02:56
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i`ll go with Zombi in this one too .
i think its the organizers responsibility to keep the line up as logical and flowble as possible.
i dont think that a dj must keep in his case music that he, first of all dont like and 2nd, that he cant and wont deal with.
with all the respect to the cround... (after all, the croud is the most important thing in a party), a dj set is not a "tochnit le bakashatcha" (i have no idea how to say it in english... help me out ).
a dj should normaly have his own style, his own set, line and direction.
but yes, a dj should be able to communicate with the croud, but this communication is not about the dj changing his set.
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sam i am
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Posted : May 15, 2003 06:31
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but yes, a dj should be able to communicate with the croud, but this communication is not about the dj changing his set. |
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so u don't think the DJ should change his set depending on crowd reaction?!! I dunno about that... I think that if the crowd is fully not getting into it, maybe change. Although on the weekend I went from playing trance 2 d&b & although the dancefloor cleared, ppl still liked it, but were just sitting & listening & not dancing. As 4 "bridging" if the crowd liked what he was playing, maybe it woulda been a good thing 2 do |
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Gilad Refael
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Posted : May 15, 2003 13:03
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On 2003-05-15 02:02, Yuli wrote:
If the question was to me, the answer is 90% of time no. But there happened parties where I played much more full on than I usually do because I was asked so and the crowd was very much full on orientated.
Anyway I believe that it is wrong to do something u don't know, therefore if I was asked to play style I am not familiar enough with - such as tech trance, I just wouldn't.
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that's what i was talking about, it's OK to compromise and "bridge" (as you said) in order to flow from the previous style, to yours. but in no way play something you don't like!
and yes, zombie is right here too, building the line up and giving each dj the right spot for him is a part of organizing a party
and now, would someone explain me why there is night music and morning music?
in the end, it's all trance!
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Zombi
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Posted : May 15, 2003 14:42
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its like in merry u have special music for "hupa" and some other tunes for other chapters, so like that its in trance, morning/night/afternoon,whatever music..
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Gilad Refael
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Posted : May 15, 2003 15:11
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i won't have a problem with some fluffy stuff at the night. neither with heavy music at the sunrise.
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Astral Mike
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Posted : May 15, 2003 15:39
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On 2003-05-15 13:03, Gilad Refael wrote:
and now, would someone explain me why there is night music and morning music?
in the end, it's all trance!
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Imo, its about creating a synergy and journey within the party that relates the music with the earth's cycle.
deep/dark trance relates to the night, & uplifting/melodic trance relates to the morning/day.
it's also refreshing to hear different styles within in a set that creates diversity/contrast/waves and cycles...
sticking rigidly to a formula/style can also become tedious & boring, as Yuli said...
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On 2003-05-14 14:31, Yuli wrote:
Life aint black and white u know
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