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what have hindu gods have 2 do with psytrance?
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djsid
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shahar
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Posted : Feb 22, 2003 12:20
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On 2003-02-21 11:56, Zombi Cocktail wrote:
i think Indian Gods have nothing with trance and trance ppl,
we dont look for Moksha (moksha means get out of life after life cycle, get out of it and be with main and tottal high power), and this Gods connected to Induism that have nothing with our religion.
we r not baharma and dont have dhaharma, so i guess shiva will not help us 
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Zombie, why don't you speak for yourself? Who is "we"? Am I part of your "we"? Or is it just the royal I?
Plus your Moksha, Brahma (or did you mean Brahman?) & Dharma definitions are a bit vague. Not really the point, but again, that's a matter of belief, which is a personal thing- so do speak for yourself.
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shahar
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Posted : Feb 22, 2003 12:37
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On 2003-02-21 14:40, Elysium Project wrote:
You tend to forget that it was not the indian god symbold and spirituality that connected people in teh good old days "93 - 97" but a lot of drug taking such as ecstacy..... Today people tend to do much more drug such as coke and that's why the whole peace love and unity has gone awayf rom our scene..... It's quite simple :-9
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Kristian, I agree that the drug factor is a strong one in this culture, and I believe its one of the reasons why it looses a lot it had to say when the drugs wear off. That mainly because a lot of ppl did not make the next step and try to implement this culture into everyday life, we as a culture failed in this to an extent.
Yet I dunnot agree that drugs where the main moving force behind this culture then, and not that they are now.
Ppl were, are and will be the moving force. And true, ppl on different drugs get different parts of their nature accented, yet there's a lot more to it. There were many factors to the development of this culture, consciousness is affected by other things than drugs as well. Be it a personal state of mind, education, spiritual experiences, friendship, weather, nature, or to get back to the subject, a different culture (which can take the form of a religion).
And again, back to the main topic, its how deep you wanna go- you can let it stay with a colorful Shiva on a backdrop when you are on acid together with the culture and philosophy and metaphysics you absorb without being aware while travelling in India (which can probably still be a very strong experience), or you can go deeper (like I chose to do).
Cultural symbols of any kind are symbols, they have their functions (a sense of community, belonging, values, etc. etc.), and are important for this onl. But you can always dig deeper and see what they stand for. And I'm not making a statement in favor of any of the approaches, each should do what they like, but I believe its always good to be aware of other ways of thinking.
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djsid
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Posted : Feb 22, 2003 12:51
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theres a hindi movie "hare rama, hare krishna"
staring "devanand" a superstar..now very old tho
its about how a brother (devanand) goes to fetch his sister to nepal who has got mixed up with drugs and hippies...its such a shock to him(also implies a shock to normal indians)..
so he goes there and sings the song "ram ka naam badnaam na karo" = "please dont defame the name of lord rama"
and well he imbibes true indian values in his sister with a lot of trouble and gets her back...
...strange movie..
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full_lotus
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Posted : Feb 22, 2003 12:57
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OK, I have a unique view on this. I am Indian by origin and born and brought up in the UK. Firstly, in Hinduism, the many 'gods' you talk about are actually manifestations of the one true God, the same God that is worshipped by the Jews, the Christians, the Muslims, Sikh's etc etc. Hindu symbolism has been creeping into so called western music since the 60's/70's during the last big psychedelic period. Just check out the line from The Beatles song 'Across the Universe':
'Jai Guru Deva'
or the om symbol for that matter that adorns the Gong albums from the 70's. The reason it's there in trance is because of the hippies who went travelling around India in the late 60's and early 70's, were the ones who were dancing on the beaches of Goa in the 80's and 90's. Goa Gil himself is a big follower of Shiva, and has even spent time meditating with the sadhus in the himalayas. I as a Hindu, am not offended by the depiction of the imagery in trance. I am only offended by the igorance. Does anyone actually know what 'Hindu' means?? It comes from the Persian 'Sindhu', which means the people that live beyond the Indus river. So it could be anyone irrespective of their belief system who lives beyond the Indus river. The religion that is known as Hinduism in the west is actually called 'Sanatana Dharma'. I don't agree or disagree with the symbolism in trance music, but I do know(apart from right wing fanatics) that Hinduism is a tolerant religion with many different viewpoints. It's not everyone's cup of tea, but in the UK at least, the symbolism is not as apparent as it was. It's a psychedelic religion. Here are a couple of my favourite verses from the Bhagvad Gita:
Ch9, verse20
'Those who study the Vedas and drink the soma juice, seeking the heavenly planets, worship Me indirectly. They take birth on the planet of Indra, where they enjoy godly delights. '
Ch18, verse 66
'Abandon all varieties of religion and just surrender unto Me. I shall deliver you from all sinful reaction. Do not fear. '
Christ=Krishna=Allah
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full_lotus
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Posted : Feb 22, 2003 12:59
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DJ Sid, his sister kills herself in the movie from an overdose. I've been seeing that movie for over 20 years  |
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singularity
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Posted : Feb 22, 2003 14:21
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and yea u can dance 2 the bhajanas too
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okay, one things clear, what u said there clearly proves that u have no idea what those bhajans mean & u have NO idea abt the idealogy behind hinduism.
i agree on the point that those bhajaans n all seem very unreal(i dont understand or know any),
but if u dont UNDERSTAND them, doesnt mean u dont RESPECT them!!
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djsid
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Posted : Feb 22, 2003 16:53
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ofcourse i respect them...
but then ive been living with them since my birth..
my grandparents, parents and now me we all worship these gods..
and the 1st thing i lissen every mornin is my dads tape player singing a bhajan...
how many u christians go to church regularly..its a question of choice..
about u saying i have no idea about ideology behind hinduism, ure wrong again..ive been told stories ..i know the whole ramayana and mahabharata..
and we;re goin offtopic again..my question is about psytrance and hinduism..not about how much hinduism i know!
cmon man bfore i was into psytrance i hardly cared about lissenin to that classical bhajan stuff..how cum now after seeing this fashion of hinduism, im drawn and hav bcom curious..
as i result i now sumtimez lissen to bhajans when im in the mood and need support from god..
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singularity
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Posted : Feb 22, 2003 17:25
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hmm,,
btw heres what OHM means,
The Symbol Om
Just as the sound of Om represents the four states of Brahman, the symbol Om written in Sanskrit also represents everything. The material world of the waking state is symbolized by the large lower curve. The deep sleep state is represented by the upper left curve. The dream state, lying between the waking state below and the deep sleep state above, emanates from the confluence of the two. The point and semicircle are separate from the rest and rule the whole. The point represents the turiya state of absolute consciousness. The open semicircle is symbolic of the infinite and the fact that the meaning of the point can not be grasped if one limits oneself to finite thinking.
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GoA_bAbA
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Posted : Feb 22, 2003 17:26
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well said, Lotus Baba.
"We have guided missiles and misguided men."
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On 2003-02-21 14:00, Elysium Project wrote:
Personally I am dead tired of people always saying boom shankar when they know nothing about it's meaning.... Anyway we are living in Europe, Israel, USA ect ect and not in India !!!
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cant agree with u more...
it makes me real fun to hear ppl in isra-hell think they are still in india or smt
and some ppl who never been to india even and use that boom shankar every 2 second
anyway boom shankar to u all
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Cyber Punk
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On 2003-02-21 14:00, Elysium Project wrote:
Personally I am dead tired of people always saying boom shankar when they know nothing about it's meaning.... Anyway we are living in Europe, Israel, USA ect ect and not in India !!!
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cant agree with u more...
it makes me real fun to hear ppl in isra-hell think they are still in india or smt
and some ppl who never been to india even and use that boom shankar every 2 second
anyway boom shankar to u all
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Common ppl, and the half of the world uses "Hi", and "bye" words without being even once in the states. So ?
And about the subject, I think there is a connection wich is described by Shiva - The God of Dancers, when he dances, he creates and destroys worlds, it is his "cosmic dance" that is base of all the universe.
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Posted : Feb 23, 2003 17:50
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On 2003-02-21 14:39, Ohmem wrote:
By the way, isn't Shiva the God of dance?
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mmm,afaik not.
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infact yes, one of the forms of shiva is nataraja - the dancing shiva. he's the lord of dance and he ruins and create the world in his cosmic dance. shiva also like to smoke and he's the god of charras. and he have a darbuka also
zombi i will also say- speak for yourself. i don't have to be jew i don't have to be nothing. what's nice in this world that there r so many cultures and so many elemnts in each one and everyone can CHOOSE and take some from anything.
and shiva did helped me few times
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Zombi
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Posted : Feb 23, 2003 19:23
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elf - there is culture and there is religion, when we use chillum (that i have and use alot, u know) we CHOOSE part of culture, Shiva and other Gods its a RELIGION that i believe cant be used partly, mean u cant use part of some religion and part of another, imo of course.
im in global in my life prefer make whole things, mean if i want do something i will try make it full version (thats why i dont like mp3 ??:)), and i dont like partly using of religion as well, why ?? coze its looks like "im believe one, i dont eat milk and meat but i yes do drive at saturday and i do steal from time to time" u know what im talking about.. all this traditional ppl who use the part of religion that fit to their intereses but not these part that hard to make, kinda i do what easy for me rest is not importent.. Believe your soul ! |
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lucid_dream
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Posted : Feb 23, 2003 19:56
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cyber punk,,,to say hi and bye doesnt mean u part of any religion.
to say book shankar and stuff like that when u do chilum still doesnt mean u believe in hindu.
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