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What effect had l.s.d. at psychedelic music?
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euphoria
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Posted : Jul 3, 2004 23:27
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Hey side-A
The greek forum has i think another topic about drugs with more than 50 replies...
In the topic that we are now taking,there are more than 60 replies....
But if you realy want to argue about drugs,ok,i will follow you
You say that there is no reality but perception,you say about holes in your subconscious,and that lsd makes you go through this and see who you trully are...right?
I think that you have a very lets say "mental" point of view about something that is very very very much TRULLY toxical.
It is nice and extraordinary to use words like,perception,conncious,psychedelic etc etc
But think on the other hand, that there is another point of ,yes, mor technical, lets say, view.
That LSD is the most powerfull toxic substance ever (at least from the popular ones).And doctors may simply give you the right definition for words such as"perception" "consiounse" etc
They will go for words such as ,dopamine,serotonine,adrenalin,noradrenalin,etc etc.
All these are normally balanced substances within your brain.
Now,with the lsd effecting these substances...uuuups!!malfunction!More adrenalin...less serotonine...ups again!wher is my dopamine limit?well...hmmm...OH!i am laughing ha ha ha how can everything be so funny?vzzzzzt tsaf!!there goes your noradrenaline...snif i am crying now all so sad..shit there goes the fucking dopamine limit....i am so fucing scared!i am freaked out!OoooooH my serotonine is going stronger now.Seems good now ican define my perception abilities ,and give an explanation to my self who the fuck i finally am,and where do i come from?fsssssst,vzzzzzt,boing!Result
Another number in a mental hospital,trying to recover the balance of our NORMAL brain substances...
Please Side-A...
Get this msg clear from me...
Try to think NORMALY.You have a brain.Use it.
At least try
Thanks
bye bye
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Melodica
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Posted : Jul 4, 2004 03:21
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Dear euphoria i believe that some people are 1 or 2 years users of lsd and have the impression that their first experience will continue for many many years without changes...
Let them to their fairytale...
P.S. Strakastoukas dear dont use other nick names, also i dont believe that u are a 11 years user except u mean that u take one trip every year..
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olivier
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Posted : Jul 4, 2004 12:05
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On 2004-07-03 23:27, euphoria wrote:
Hey side-A
The greek forum has i think another topic about drugs with more than 50 replies...
In the topic that we are now taking,there are more than 60 replies....
But if you realy want to argue about drugs,ok,i will follow you
You say that there is no reality but perception,you say about holes in your subconscious,and that lsd makes you go through this and see who you trully are...right?
I think that you have a very lets say "mental" point of view about something that is very very very much TRULLY toxical.
It is nice and extraordinary to use words like,perception,conncious,psychedelic etc etc
But think on the other hand, that there is another point of ,yes, mor technical, lets say, view.
That LSD is the most powerfull toxic substance ever (at least from the popular ones).And doctors may simply give you the right definition for words such as"perception" "consiounse" etc
They will go for words such as ,dopamine,serotonine,adrenalin,noradrenalin,etc etc.
All these are normally balanced substances within your brain.
Now,with the lsd effecting these substances...uuuups!!malfunction!More adrenalin...less serotonine...ups again!wher is my dopamine limit?well...hmmm...OH!i am laughing ha ha ha how can everything be so funny?vzzzzzt tsaf!!there goes your noradrenaline...snif i am crying now all so sad..shit there goes the fucking dopamine limit....i am so fucing scared!i am freaked out!OoooooH my serotonine is going stronger now.Seems good now ican define my perception abilities ,and give an explanation to my self who the fuck i finally am,and where do i come from?fsssssst,vzzzzzt,boing!Result
Another number in a mental hospital,trying to recover the balance of our NORMAL brain substances...
Please Side-A...
Get this msg clear from me...
Try to think NORMALY.You have a brain.Use it.
At least try
Thanks
bye bye
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it s great to be told by someone that knows nothing about me that i should use my brain ...
and u should relearn ur lesson buddy, lsd doesn't effect serotonine or adrenalin... we are no talking about mdma dude... u don't know nothin about how lsd affect the brain ...
yes it's toxical , so is your coffee , chocolate and many more stuffs around u ... u think the pollution coming out from the cars is not toxic ?? but u live in it, breath it 24h/24 .... accept that u cannot live a "safe" life, there is nothing safe around here , unless u wanna spend your whole life stuck in front of your computer ...stuck in your material life , only thinking in "physical" way
i won't argue more with u as you are totally not open to an open dialogue without bullshitting the one your are talking with
and please... keep your lessons of life for yourself and your "safe & secure "life, learn some respect ... hope u will have fun though ... |
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euphoria
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Posted : Jul 4, 2004 12:19
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Melodica i am glad that they are ppl within the trance scene like you and others that have a very mature and realistic opinion about chemicals...
On the other hand i am sad and sometimes angry for reading posts like "lsd is the way to see the true dimension of things,or that i am a robot cause i don't use it...
Maybe i should laugh,and i do sometimes...
But this not the right way again,i think...
Anyway it is not funny...at all.I know ppl became zombies by all means cause of acid,liquid,mushrooms etc.
This is another strange thing.There are some ppl thinking that mushrooms are not toxical.(so maybe is a matter of miss information)
I also know parents suffering for years having a son or daughter trying to recover from lsd damage...
It is maybe somehow right that lsd has efected our music i have to admit...
BUT this is not a reason to support the use of it.OK...most of us may have tried at least once an acid,or one or two drops of liquid,or some mexican mushrooms,or or...
The point is that these substances are becoming very dangerous with extented use...and as melodica said it will never be as the first time...
Please ppl think
intelligence is within your brain...try to explore by normal means...you can try yoga,reiki,or other forms of meditation...
Go to a beach,relax,make love,drink a glass of wine,or what the fuck smoke a joint every 10-15 days...
Make it easy for your life
your precious life
Thanks for talking your time reading
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euphoria
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Posted : Jul 4, 2004 12:26
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side -A you are the one that know shit about lsd,Producers and dealers using substances you can find on acid that are efecting all of your normal brain substances.Including serotonin dopamin etc...
about air polution and shit like this...well i think its a topic for drugs...Go to the green peace movement and be fine.
we are talking about a deadly matter here.DRUGS
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olivier
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Posted : Jul 4, 2004 12:35
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On 2004-07-04 12:26, euphoria wrote:
side -A you are the one that know shit about lsd,Producers and dealers using substances you can find on acid that are efecting all of your normal brain substances.Including serotonin dopamin etc...
about air polution and shit like this...well i think its a topic for drugs...Go to the green peace movement and be fine.
we are talking about a deadly matter here.DRUGS
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u were the one crying because lsd is toxical ...don't choose where u want the discussion to go , accept others people view without being so dictatorial....
and i know what i m talking about when i tell u that lsd has absolutely no effects on serotonine , i have many chemical researches here made by serious and famous doctors ... i think U should try to get more informations about something u obviously don't know...
oh yes , one more thing .. we are not talking about drugs here (unless u have something to say about cocaine , heroine, amphetamine, mdma ...) , we are talking about HALLUCINOGENS , PSYCHEDELIC (u r greek u know what is the sens of this word ...)
i'm done here ... have a nice week end ... |
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euphoria
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Posted : Jul 4, 2004 12:50
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Ah!so lsd is not a drug.it is psychedelic.About your research now ok fine believe it and keep on with acid use.
Hope you will be fine 
The thing with all of you drug users, is that you always have an excuse like "the air we breath,the plastic food,etc etc wich in your opinion make the use of drugs unharmful and a right thing to do.
I gave you some exambles of normal ways of meditation i think...But acid is your god and that's your problem...
As for me,well yes i prefer the safe ways and the normal use of my brain...
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DETOX
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Posted : Jul 4, 2004 17:26
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Just a small thing from my side.
Comparing LSD to car pollution is at least funny...
You can continue now
Toodaloo Motherfuckers!!!!! |
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olivier
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Posted : Jul 4, 2004 17:41
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On 2004-07-04 17:26, DETOX wrote:
Just a small thing from my side.
Comparing LSD to car pollution is at least funny...
You can continue now
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superb amalgame that show u didn't get a word i said ....
even the air your breath is full of toxic particles , that helps a lot to generate many kinds of cancers ... so don't blame lsd because it's "toxic", taking some lsd once in a while won't give u any cancer ...
the world we live in is full of this shit ... from the air u breath,the medicine u take , the shit that u eat, the alcool u drink , the tobacco u smoke , all these stuffs arms your body much more than a small drop of lsd took once in months ....
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DETOX
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Posted : Jul 4, 2004 21:48
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So because LSD harms us less (at least thats what you say,can you prove it by the way?) from the toxic air that we breath and the polluted water that we drink (which by the way are not easy to control and avoid them,unlike it is with LSD usage) its ok to take a small drop of LSD once in months?
PLEASE next time before you say something take a minute and think about it...
If you have something serious to say please do so but do not support your thesis saying things like 'LSD is less harmless than toxic air so its ok to use it'.
Toodaloo Motherfuckers!!!!! |
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olivier
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Posted : Jul 4, 2004 23:56
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So because LSD harms us less (at least thats what you say,can you prove it by the way?) from the toxic air that we breath and the polluted water that we drink (which by the way are not easy to control and avoid them,unlike it is with LSD usage) its ok to take a small drop of LSD once in months?
PLEASE next time before you say something take a minute and think about it...
If you have something serious to say please do so but do not support your thesis saying things like 'LSD is less harmless than toxic air so its ok to use it'.
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once again u take one exemple appart from a whole argument to make it sounds in the way u want.... i didn't say such things AND u put your words in my mouth ( did i mention water ????did i say once in on a month or once in months ??? ), that's not the way i consider a discussion ... i m talking to walls ...
I don't say lsd may not be dangerous( it can be for not mentally strong people) , i just said considering the whole world we live in it's nonsense argumenting that lsd is shit because it's toxic !!!! thank u ! and if u don't give me credit because i don't give u prooves of what i say, just read some papers about it , it's not so complicated...
and i think this "something serious to say" sounds pretty arrogant to me detox ...
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DETOX
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Posted : Jul 5, 2004 00:30
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SIDE A YOU SAID 'so don't blame lsd because it's "toxic", taking some lsd once in a while won't give u any cancer ...
the world we live in is full of this shit ... from the air u breath,the medicine u take , the shit that u eat, the alcool u drink , the tobacco u smoke , all these stuffs arms your body much more than a small drop of lsd took once in months ....'
So you didnt mentioned water but you mentioned alcohol and coffee,big difference right? LOL
With your words you are trying to prove to us that taking LSD once in a while will not get you cancer (you forgot to say ofcourse that it destroys your brain cells) and that taking LSD once in a while is not as dangerous as breathing polluted air or drinking alcohol.Thats the meaning of your words and thankfully i can read and understand decent English so PLEASE dont tell me that i take part examples from your whole arguments and that i try to make them sound they way i want.
I dont use drugs and my brain and perception is absolutely fine!
Thank you!
P.S I cannot give you credit for saying that taking LSD once in some time is less harmfull than breathing the polluted air and drinking coffee because simple THATS NOT TRUE and if you dont aggree with that then SIMPLY justify your words by providing us with facts (IF you can find any...).I am not going to do a research in order to prove that your thesis is wrong IT IS YOU that has to support and justify your thesis!So do your research and come back to prove me wrong.
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olivier
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Posted : Jul 5, 2004 01:48
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On 2004-07-05 00:30, DETOX wrote:
SIDE A YOU SAID 'so don't blame lsd because it's "toxic", taking some lsd once in a while won't give u any cancer ...
the world we live in is full of this shit ... from the air u breath,the medicine u take , the shit that u eat, the alcool u drink , the tobacco u smoke , all these stuffs arms your body much more than a small drop of lsd took once in months ....'
So you didnt mentioned water but you mentioned alcohol and coffee,big difference right? LOL
With your words you are trying to prove to us that taking LSD once in a while will not get you cancer (you forgot to say ofcourse that it destroys your brain cells) and that taking LSD once in a while is not as dangerous as breathing polluted air or drinking alcohol.Thats the meaning of your words and thankfully i can read and understand decent English so PLEASE dont tell me that i take part examples from your whole arguments and that i try to make them sound they way i want.
I dont use drugs and my brain and perception is absolutely fine!
Thank you!
P.S I cannot give you credit for saying that taking LSD once in some time is less harmfull than breathing the polluted air and drinking coffee because simple THATS NOT TRUE and if you dont aggree with that then SIMPLY justify your words by providing us with facts (IF you can find any...).I am not going to do a research in order to prove that your thesis is wrong IT IS YOU that has to support and justify your thesis!So do your research and come back to prove me wrong.
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yes i think there is a HUGE difference between water , coffe and alcool... don't u think detox ???
it is scientificly proves that lsd only arms the braincells and nothing else not even the stomach (contrary to acetylsalicilic, that most of people overuse, that is legal and slowly burn the stomach), check out all the medicines you take in a year and the huge arms it cause on the whole body, your coffee arms your heart , alcool destroys you inside , and the list can goes on ...
i know what i am talking about by having reading many many books and papers about it .... check out all the interviews that had been published with albert hoffman, that will give u an idea
what i wanted to say, is that lsd and some hallucinogens are not dangerous because of their effect on the body (as they don't arm more the body than many legal substances) , it only may be dangerous because of the way they are used ...
is it clear now...??
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DETOX
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Posted : Jul 5, 2004 02:29
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Side A the most precious and important thing on the human body is its BRAIN if your brain is damaged then nothing works correctly like you might know!
You can fix your stomach,you can fix your langs,you can fix everything EXCEPT your brain which is the most sensitive part of your body.
I dont drink coffee or alcohol,i dont smoke and i dont take drugs of any kind,i cannot even remember the last time i even took an aspirin for a headache.LSD is bad for me for sure just like it is for everyone!Even if i was smoking and drinking alcohol it would again be bad for me.Very bad indeed!
And to finish with this story for once and for all.
LSD is bad for your brain,the damage is inevitable and cannot be fixed.The hallucinations and the experience is nice for sure BUT they only last for some hours while the brain damage is permanent.Forget about coffee,alcohol and polluted air,LSD is bad for your health so why use it?
Not to mention many people that had serious accidents because of LSD hallucinations,one of my friends was hit by a car on the road when he was having a hallucination....
Is it clear to you now or you still try to convince us that LSD is a nice experience?
If you want to try something extreme then try bungee jumping or something like that 
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Posted : Jul 5, 2004 03:15
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all u said is absolutely right detox, and i m really glad for u that u have a healthy life
but for me , i think some experiences may be very positive for our consciousness. life is something very mysterious,and we are more than just physical & animal bodies
there is more than just our human perception of reality |
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