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Voltron Festival Disaster
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allgoodthings
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Posted : Sep 3, 2012 21:04
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whatever way you put it, midijunkies is stupid for threatening people: "i promise to beat you up the first time i see you".
This kind of easy gangster behavior doesn't work and it says a lot about you. if you think your a so called gangster, go listen to lil wayne and 50cent. but don't spread this stupid negativity on fb or here.
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Templar^
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Posted : Sep 3, 2012 22:05
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First and foremost, personally I'd never attend a festival called Voltron...
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kurita
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Posted : Sep 3, 2012 22:08
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On 2012-09-03 21:04, allgoodthings wrote:
whatever way you put it, midijunkies is stupid for threatening people: "i promise to beat you up the first time i see you".
This kind of easy gangster behavior doesn't work and it says a lot about you. if you think your a so called gangster, go listen to lil wayne and 50cent. but don't spread this stupid negativity on fb or here.
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Don't be surprised it's typical Middle Eastern behavior...... ))) |
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moki
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Posted : Sep 3, 2012 22:21
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On 2012-09-03 20:53, Yidam wrote:
Sorry to hear what happened but you mustn't forget that in this scene unless you're a big star of the season you're going to get little to nothing. |
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as if big names are treated better. nice people treat big names and small names exactly the same way. as humans.
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Yidam
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Posted : Sep 3, 2012 22:36
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not talking about treatment moki, big festivals have to be professional otherwise they wont survive.
talking about cash, hotel, ride, food, booze, birthday cake etc etc etc. you cannot expect these things unless it's in contract or discussed beforehand. It's a mistake to assume these things taken care of after going to a festival.
not saying this is how it should be, just how it is in most cases.
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Vertigo Records
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Posted : Sep 3, 2012 23:06
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Man, you are behaving like it was your frist International booking  ) Well now you probbaly learned that this scene is not only about magic, space travell and bla bla bla. Try to get something usefull from this situation, for example learn to read, make and sign propper contracts or find relieble booking agent to do it for, Unfotunately you can't even demand anything from the organiser if you dont have all his promises or duties in written with promoter signiture. And even this wont garantee you nothing, but at least you have a proof that you were really supposed to play at particular event, also supposed to be paid before you play, supposed to be provided food, hotel, transport etc... then you have a right to just cancel you gig if somethign was not done by organsier. And to be honest you probablly know where you are going, and it not the frist time things like that happening in Turkey, and especially being so ill as yuo describe, why jsut nto to get flgiht back nex day and dont fuck anyones head, I'm really suprised that you blame Ali also, can't you just go and buy food yourself. at any place nearby, Rise and youghourt is so easy to find in Istambul.
Really don't get me wrong, i'm not supporting this Voltron organsiers at all. I'm just really suprised, why artsits still think that somebody will do everything for them while that are on so called gig. Unfotunatly situation sometimes goes not as palnned, and you ahve to be ready make dessicions and understand what they want. To show their so called art, or to get money and propper treatment first. |
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Posted : Sep 3, 2012 23:29
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Enforcing contracts on this scene: LOL
"The dedication to repetition — the search for nirvana in a single held tone or an endlessly cycling rhythm — is one of electronic music's noblest gestures." |
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Vertigo Records
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Posted : Sep 4, 2012 01:02
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well nobody shitting whole country, it's realy beautyfull and we met really really nice people there. But truth is truth.. most of the festivals and parties there is a big mess... and its not a secret.
The only thing which is really hard to understand is why all these fesitval organisers want to put as much international acts in line up as possible to make it look as long as a roll of toilet papper:)) even they know in advance that they can;t afford to bring them all or even dont have enough people to pick them up from airport, counting that petrol in Turkey is one of them most expensive in the world ( 2 euros per litra or even more and avarage attendence is 500 - 800 people, Why not to bring few headliners and ask them to play longer sets. It will be much easier and less stressfull for everyone. And on the other hand it's really hard to understand thouse artsit's who agree to come there having only one way ticket and no any advanced payment. Dosen't it look suspicious to them?? Or they are ready to come for experince, well then they got it. Sometimes experince is much more precious than money... don't you agree?
Really 3rd year in a row same story ... no
any single festival that was without such a big mess with arsits in this country. Really sad cos this country have such perfect locations for propper festivals and open airs. We really belive that situation will change in future, and both organisers and artsits will be more responsable and realistic... |
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demoniac
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Posted : Sep 4, 2012 05:33
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I think contract is just waste of time, if the contract is not respected, then you need to sue him, pay a lawyer... And i don't know what will you get from that...
Personaly i never saw any artist working with contract, even the big fullon names i played with didn't use contract...
I believe in respect...
I didn't left because i didn't have money for a flight to go home and i still had hope that things will get better.
I didn't wanted to act like a super star and ask money upfront because i understood that it's his first festival, so i tought i will make it easier for him because i respected that he make such a big thing in Turkey.
No i didn't know much about turkey, they don't know english so much, so i had problems ordering food. I'm a vegeterian for many years now, and is really hard to explain this to them.
Some of you maybe think it's gay to be vegeterian, but for me its disgusting to eat meat, so once i ordered a veg sandwich, and there was grease all over it, but i ate it in the end because i didn't have choise.
Also i think you should help any person with problem, i don't see help as a job.
He introduced himself to me as Ali from Voltron festival, i don't know why he did this if he is not from Voltron festival, and i don't know why he offered himself to help, when he didn't help.
Also i was stuck in the bed the first 2 days because i was very very sick, so i couldn't do much action except going in the toilet every 10 minutes and just feel pain...
I agree with Vertigo about artists and dj's playing longer sets. I don't get some people that just want to play 1 or 2 hours set, for me that is not even enough to warm up and impossible to put people in deep trance state
And i don't get that Live act thing, 95% from the artists in this scene play fake live act because simply it's impossible to play this music live.
Sorry i don't see playing loops and just play some random synths and random fx as playing live...
Yes the situation in the scene is really bad, and also i can see that from this topic, most of you are talking trolling bullshit here! And i cannot that you don't believe me, and you believe some guy that first write that he will beat me up and then at the end of the comment he says peace!
He even put his soundcloud link on fb while writing the same thing...
The only normal talking here i can see is from Detox and Vertigo Records and the only reason why i replied again on this topic is the respect i have for them.
I still believe that if you act good with people, good will come back
Let's see what happens!
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Yidam
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Posted : Sep 4, 2012 07:52
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Vertigo Records
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Posted : Sep 4, 2012 14:02
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Well as i see topic starts to go into so much diffrent directions like discussing one's food preferences or fake live sets. Well its intersting but i would not focus on this things, there are several threads devoted to this things including totally epic Astral Projection is FAKE topic .... etc. )
The thing i want to say, that in fact most of really big professional name do use contracts or booking agency belive me, it's a fact.
The fact is also that even signed contract don't protect you as it's not normally verified by notar note and processing according to contract in court may take much more expenses than the gig fee itself. BUT contract helps both artsist and promoter to be more reposnsable and to understand what they have to do, and what not.
For example in you case: if you got a signed contract with that Mustafa or how was his name, where was clearely stated the date, the location of the festival etc. and also said that he is obliged to provide you a transporation from the airport to festival area and cover all travel costs, provide food, hotel etc... and if he fail to provide any of these things, then you have a right to cancel your gig and not appear on festival. After that they cant balme you for being lazy of not coming there and tellin any bullshit, Cos you cna alway show them the copy of contract with his signutre. And remind that he actually should do that. That's how it works.
and after that you can also blame Ali, or anyone else that they haven't show enough hospitability or dont provide VEGETRIAN food, ( which is also should be stated in contract). That how all the rest of the world live, Man trance scene is already a sort of business, and there should be some regulations there as well. Not just words, promises, hopes and constant repeating of bro, dude, bom, namaste etc....
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demoniac
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Posted : Sep 4, 2012 14:14
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On 2012-09-04 14:02, Vertigo Records wrote:
Well as i see topic starts to go into so much diffrent directions like discussing one's food preferences or fake live sets. Well its intersting but i would not focus on this things, there are several threads devoted to this things including totally epic Astral Projection is FAKE topic .... etc. )
The thing i want to say, that in fact most of really big professional name do use contracts or booking agency belive me, it's a fact.
The fact is also that even signed contract don't protect you as it's not normally verified by notar note and processing according to contract in court may take much more expenses than the gig fee itself. BUT contract helps both artsist and promoter to be more reposnsable and to understand what they have to do, and what not.
For example in you case: if you got a signed contract with that Mustafa or how was his name, where was clearely stated the date, the location of the festival etc. and also said that he is obliged to provide you a transporation from the airport to festival area and cover all travel costs, provide food, hotel etc... and if he fail to provide any of these things, then you have a right to cancel your gig and not appear on festival. After that they cant balme you for being lazy of not coming there and tellin any bullshit, Cos you cna alway show them the copy of contract with his signutre. And remind that he actually should do that. That's how it works.
and after that you can also blame Ali, or anyone else that they haven't show enough hospitability or dont provide VEGETRIAN food, ( which is also should be stated in contract). That how all the rest of the world live, Man trance scene is already a sort of business, and there should be some regulations there as well. Not just words, promises, hopes and constant repeating of bro, dude, bom, namaste etc....
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Thank you! I try to work like this in the future
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Dennis the menace
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Posted : Sep 4, 2012 14:41
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sue
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Posted : Sep 4, 2012 16:20
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On 2012-09-04 01:02, Vertigo Records wrote:
BookFace
well nobody shitting whole country, it's realy beautyfull and we met really really nice people there. But truth is truth.. most of the festivals and parties there is a big mess... and its not a secret.
The only thing which is really hard to understand is why all these fesitval organisers want to put as much international acts in line up as possible to make it look as long as a roll of toilet papper:)) even they know in advance that they can;t afford to bring them all or even dont have enough people to pick them up from airport, counting that petrol in Turkey is one of them most expensive in the world ( 2 euros per litra or even more and avarage attendence is 500 - 800 people, Why not to bring few headliners and ask them to play longer sets. It will be much easier and less stressfull for everyone. And on the other hand it's really hard to understand thouse artsit's who agree to come there having only one way ticket and no any advanced payment. Dosen't it look suspicious to them?? Or they are ready to come for experince, well then they got it. Sometimes experince is much more precious than money... don't you agree?
Really 3rd year in a row same story ... no
any single festival that was without such a big mess with arsits in this country. Really sad cos this country have such perfect locations for propper festivals and open airs. We really belive that situation will change in future, and both organisers and artsits will be more responsable and realistic...
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something like this...
and btw lot of artists use contracts in fact every serious one i would say. yeah its just a formality but its written and includes every important info, and who's got what responsibility etc...it helps.
my advice is that you take yourself seriously before you expect others to take you seriously...
same goes for respect.
and of course learn a lesson from all this and never ever go to another country without advance and confirmed flight tickets back home. so basic man...
i wish all artists and wannabe artists in this scene would realise that they are screwing it up for themselves if they are willing to go and play everywhere they possibly can NO MATTER WHAT
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PsyGalaXy
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Posted : Sep 4, 2012 18:12
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hey , just found on fb something like the "organizer version"
Here are the real report and facts of Voltron Festival 2012 by the organiser:
Up to August 10th, i had no equipment to be organised and created for creating the festival i have to admit. Up to this date i did and managed the whole thing about Voltron Festival by myself. Later i moved the thirty percent of my house with Savas by cargo and we arrived Dalaman airport with him. To be honest after my Savas experience (who is the brother of my close friend) i quickly realised that i have to find a real person who is really into this culture as turkish, and i found myself into Ercan’s house in Antalya who hosted and owned voltron festival with his full hearth and genuine support with his mother and i became we, with his great understanding, with his financial suport most of the times when needed, he put his heart to this festival since he saw my bar team who were not in the festival location up to 15th (owner of the bar had promised me to bring generator and share with me for my cafe electricity but when he came they were already made deal with Emre Ataç’s chai shop electricity, also Ercan had been refused to be picked up by bar team’s car from Antalya and he had also problems with Emre Ataç’s working conditions so i became together with Ercan (hopefully). Decoration preparations was going great, only we were waiting that Kevin Dobson’s Funktion One Sound System to reach the area. He came to the border of Bulgaria and called me that he is unable to pass the border since he had no Carnet thing (which he had to prepare near himself). This was the beginning of the fall of this festival for sure. For three days we tried him to pass the border, he did some legal applications for being able to pass but he couldnt succeed this. And of course we are not blaming him, anything can happen to this kind of festivals as we all seen. But after his not-reaching to the festival, our mood was really ruined by my friends BOTN Deco Team and we decided him to return and we found ourselves in Marmaris into sound system shop. We had no enough knowledge about sound system stuff, that was why we had called Kevin Dobson from Czech Republic who couldnt make it happen up to 22nd of August, to be responsible and owner of the “sound” thing. We thought that Marmaris sound man has understood our needings, i explained the importance of festival to him with Ercan, he was really seeming to understand the sound requirement of festival for 1500 people. When we have seen what have come as a sound system we were also devastated like all of you and immediately we forced him to save the honour of festival with more addings. Well the main problem began with this sound guy, in his second coming he was stil having fun with me, all volunteers were high, i was in a despearate mood while the rest were sleeping and artists started to come.
I couldnt stand the comfort of volunteers who left doing anything after festival started, they were not waking up, were not listening and for sure i fired them except Canes who was the only volunteer i chose. If your “team” who was already Ercan, Savas and Ibrahim (main guys after me as organisers) make arguement about going to airport to take the artists with you and never accepts to take your artists since they want to stay in festival, what would you do? I had no alternative to behave like this since sometimes they were with me, sometimes they were not.
Also please don’t judge my lonely attitude into this kind of festival since it was very hard for me to be able to find clean persons who are not “drug dealers” as turkish since i dont accept anyone into industraum or voltron who is preferring to sell drugs, stil thinking like this as our principle, so i was alone, was a man who tried to make festival without selling you know this very well. Why couldn’t i establish a team.. Was i really an idiot that everybody thought of.. Or am i the person who just hates the crowds and unable to create a crowd; or the one who really never lived as community into his life..
With this point we are going into my personal identity since i want you to show that “i had had a right to design this festival idea by my being” for sure. I don’t think you are able to say one dreamer not to start one movement by oneself, things are being rised like this in this world; at least sometimes. With my lonely movement to be honest i had experienced each rights and wrongs (mostly wrongs since it was my first time) step by step (here you can blame me about putting you into some kind of psychedelic festival testings that you might be right; but please remember what a European FKT1 Sound System team done to us)
So please accept my apologies from all of you, especially from attenders, to trust people like sound man, volunteers, airport shuttles and wait them as an idiot, to lose at least 40.000 € for all of our times, for some psytrance beginnings that was tried to be held in one muslim country called Turkey and finally to cause you experience a very very bad working, strange and incapable festival like this.
For the artists who were suffered by Voltron Festival 2012 please begin to write your financial problems us to industraum@live.com
We will do our best solutions for you as payments not to be the hardcore victims of our seeds period for voltron festival. Pls remember we wouldn’t know that we had “to success”, if we make you uncomfortable dont hesitate to write us.
We want you to know that any bad and negative comments will not be able to cause not realizing this festival, you are not judges, know your experiences and just do not prefer us, please. We even will not need your negative atmospheres which is all criticising with angry eyes and shouts. Www ere very happy with these all beautiful people who were knowing what to do “with the things into their hands, for the first time happening in this kind of country.
Thank you for all good people whose eyes were stil shining inspite of all lacking of the festival, it was amazing to speak with you with our eyes.
Wish real understanding and wisdom to all of us,
mustafa
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