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Virus A/B/C just went up in price

Nectarios
Martian Arts

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Posted : Nov 19, 2014 19:31:41
https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10152340472616710&pnref=story

http://www.mysteryislands-music.com/product/access-virushc-audiounit-vsti-editor-librarian-plug-in/
          
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Upavas
Upavas

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Posted : Nov 20, 2014 13:16
trying for a b model, just cannot afford C...
          Upavas - Here And Now (Sangoma Rec.) new EP out Oct.29th, get it here:
http://timecode.bandcamp.com
http://upavas.com
http://soundcloud.com/upavas-1/
PoM
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Posted : Nov 20, 2014 15:31
a friended landed a A the other day for a session..haven't tried it yet wonder how it will compare to the the c i had, my guess is that it s more dirty/colored

would not suprised a new virus come out and this time with proper integration.. then i think i would be intrested to get one.
price of first ti used is good these days..but dont want trouble with their buggy integration
vipal
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Posted : Nov 21, 2014 11:58
never had any problem with my 1st gen. Ti. I think its a very good synth. get a 2nd hand snow for cheap.           http://soundcloud.com/vipal
woodster77
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Posted : Nov 22, 2014 13:23
would be sweet if its Bi-Directional,,,
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frisbeehead
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Posted : Nov 26, 2014 17:06
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On 2014-11-20 15:31, PoM wrote:
a friended landed a A the other day for a session..haven't tried it yet wonder how it will compare to the the c i had, my guess is that it s more dirty/colored

would not suprised a new virus come out and this time with proper integration.. then i think i would be intrested to get one.
price of first ti used is good these days..but dont want trouble with their buggy integration



well, the team's been busy doing Amp modelling stuff for guitar folks - aka Kemper Audio. some of that research has been integrated in the Virus ti series already in the form of stomp box effects, cabinet emulation, better distortions...

don't know if we can expect something this soon. integration's been better since v5 for nearly everyone. if you work at it, you can manage to get it working fine.
frisbeehead
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Posted : Nov 26, 2014 17:12
Quote:

On 2014-11-19 19:31:41, Nectarios wrote:
https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10152340472616710&pnref=story

http://www.mysteryislands-music.com/product/access-virushc-audiounit-vsti-editor-librarian-plug-in/




so, have you bought this then?

I've been using this one:

http://www.solar3d-software.com/

works like a charm and allowed me to use the multis of the Virus much more to!

your thoughts on it please! cheers
PoM
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Posted : Nov 26, 2014 22:37
i think there is still lot of bug with integration depending the motherboard or dunno... but lot complains, also when it work, i m not sure timing may have jitter it seems to some ..feel like it s lotery when u buy one.

they would have to make new one... ti 2 sells probably go down more and more with time and it s logical..

also the tech evolved a lot, now today the intergtation could be really good and the ti still lack feature that worth upgrading to a new ti. for example i m not sure but the envelop are still maybe only linear and not flexible ,filters could be improved, they could even add a analog filter ,their is lot of thing that coould be improved on the virus worth making a new one and make everyone sell their old ti to buy it .

usually they annonced virus in the winter at namm, i mreally secptical a new one will come out but i hope
frisbeehead
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Posted : Nov 27, 2014 06:30
yes, there's been a lot of complains about the integration but it's been much worse then it is now.

you can actually change the curves on the envelopes, using recursive modulation - by setting it up in the matrix, making the envelope modulate itself (one of its stages to be more precise).

I really like the filters on the Virus, it's not much apparent if you simply pick an oscillator and swipe it across the whole range, like you'd test an analogue machine, but it's got this character that can be very lush and sweet - specially combining the two of them. Call me a fool but I enjoy the Moog filters as well. Not for their resemblance to the original, but for what it allows you to do.

For a DSP hardware poly, that's got to be the best out there to this day, right? Please, non of the Solaris crap, 'cause that's like an entire 12u worth of cash - not for real people. Besides, even if you don't manage to get the Ti side of things working properly, it's still very reliable with midi and it still frees some of your cpu. It's still 80 voices worth of a synth spread across 16 parts - if you don't run out of voices faster then that (which of course we always do XD). If you were to ask me what I'd like to see on a new one, audio rate LFO's and being able to draw waveforms for both Oscillators and LFO's. Would make my day.

For me, it's like: yeah it's got it's own kind of sound for sure. But the thing is a total beast and nothing can replace it. I mean, sure there's good sounding plug-ins to nowadays, but we've room for both this stuff. And most of the times, I end up bouncing down the Virus patch against most plug-ins anyway. Specially the poly patches or those big sounds with unison voices. No cpu and it sounds better then mostly anything digital, so why not? Then, and this is no small detail of course, you have those knobs in there for something... And they're also great! This leads to a level of control and interaction/performance that's almost a myth using the software+controller recipe.

Also really like the Nords (lead+modular), Waldorf stuff and (call me crazy) I really like the Prophecy/Z1 engine for doing what it's not supposed to do - fairly complex synth even for today's standards, with multi-stage envelopes, a big matrix, plenty of synth engines and fx.

Would be very cool to see them come up with a new one. But think this one is still worth it IMO. IF worried about value, then the snow is a no brainer. Virus has come a long way in features and today it's no kid's play for sure. Even compared to most modern plug-ins it holds its own for sure. Yeah, my 2 cents. Still one of the few things digital worth grabbing me thinks XD.
PoM
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Posted : Nov 27, 2014 15:55
i enjoyed some of the filters on the C but there is always room from improvment and adding new type/ emulations ,also the envelop modulation is not really a solution vs more flexible envelops to me, these 2 point + perfect integration and timings/syncro would really make me consider buying one once it s cheaper/ second hand .

i have heard there is less and less update for ti , so they might work on a new one.

and sure the ti and all virus are still worht it , some guys buy zebra , dune ,sylenth ,z3ta ect...even if it s not totally the same soound and synth i wonder why they just dont buy a virus and don t look back .
frisbeehead
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Posted : Nov 27, 2014 20:39
yep, what I've heard from folks at "infekted.org" is that they've hit the limit with this current incarnation of the Virus. it's as good as it's ever going to be, despite the occasional bug fix that might (even probably can) happen; 'cause there's only so much you can do with the current dsp power on these machines.

but if you look at the differences between the ti range and the C, or even how many features have been added to the TI from its inception, it shows they've placed a lot of effort on it. i think the integration problems that haunted it were responsible for turning bashing this synth one of the favourite sports at gear sluts and the likes. people seem to forget that it doesn't render the synth useless and that you still have access to a lot of features that have been added to the engine. without the integration, it's just as practical as any of the other hardware synths on the market, like the Nord Lead. and just because the integration didn't turn out to well - and there's tons of reasons for that - it doesn't mean it sounds bad or is a bad product.

About the envelopes... I see your point, as you have to waste some precious mod matrix slots to implement this and it's not the most user friendly solution for it. But it's something that forces people to think about what they're doing and to learn a thing or two about sound design. I mean, the possibility is there but most people don't actually see it.

The way I see it they'd have to figure out some stuff, like: should the new thing be backwards compatible? Should they go for another kind of processor for these things? Doing so could mean they'd have to adapt all the code to a new platform and that raises the development costs a lot. How would they go about implementing new features on a synth that already packs way more then its physical interface is witness to? And what kind of connection would they pick? USB3 is a nice candidate, but not nearly all the computers have it already. Thunderbolt is more of an apple thing, for the time being, and firewire was the other apple thing that apple decided to ditch out of the equation so it's obviously a no go to... Maybe they could allow users to choose, similar to what Universal Audio has done with their previous satellite versions... The idea is that you need a large bandwidth if you're to pass audio+parameter changes and midi through a single connection and still get sample accurate timing. What most fail to grasp, I think, was that their move was incredibly audacious. So much so, in fact, that no other company has ever tried to do the same in a similar fashion.

But yeah, if you manage to get it to work properly, it's still one of those things like a swiss knife kind of thing. Gets the job done and sounds great. That's what counts the most.
Upavas
Upavas

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Posted : Dec 1, 2014 12:38
So I got a virus b for $520 + shipping... should be interesting... I figure I will be ok via midi... I'd say I'll be having a lot of fun soon... as to the moog filter missing in the B version, I have a moog sub fatty I could run the signal through, hehehe, ain't nothing like the real thang           Upavas - Here And Now (Sangoma Rec.) new EP out Oct.29th, get it here:
http://timecode.bandcamp.com
http://upavas.com
http://soundcloud.com/upavas-1/
frisbeehead
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Posted : Dec 1, 2014 21:06
Yep! Pretty sure you're in for a great time with it! I'd grab one editor for it as you're waiting, either the one mentioned here or solar 3d's - just take a look at the interfaces and features and take your pick.

Nothing like the real Moog filter, of course! The advantage of having it there, though, isn't just for analogue style sounds, where self oscillating filter can be an advantage, but as with anything Virus it opens the door for a vast palete of sounds that isn't immediately obvious at first.

Be sure to check the little book from Howard Scarr called "programming analogue synthesizers", it came with the Virus C, but it's 98% covered by the B and a very nice read - highly recommended!

Then check the Virus bootcamp videos by Ben Crossland, another well known sound designer that knows the Virus inside out - some of these will show you just how deep the Virus can go

and that's it! you're not exactly new to this game XD enjoy it m8! cheers
Upavas
Upavas

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Posted : Dec 2, 2014 10:49
Wow, thanks a ton for those fine tips Frisbeehead           Upavas - Here And Now (Sangoma Rec.) new EP out Oct.29th, get it here:
http://timecode.bandcamp.com
http://upavas.com
http://soundcloud.com/upavas-1/
frisbeehead
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Posted : Jan 6, 2015 17:58
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