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Virtual psy trance

Marsoupial
IsraTrance Junior Member

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Posted : Jan 18, 2007 16:09
Hello all..

I write to you all,talking about a new way of hosting parties.

This it is not the same thing as being *physically* in form at an event down the street, in the bush, or in your neighbourhood,but what we are talking about here is a live event broadcast on the internet, and enjoyed in a live virtual environment, like that in the book 'snowcrash'.

I don't know about you guys, but I would jump at the opportunity to experience foreign parties from the comforts of my own home. To see what parties are like in Israel, to get a feel for what happens there, and to be able to interact with all of those people from all places around the globe, and to share the psychedelic experience in a virtual environment.

With modern technology ,it has opened up a new way of existing for many of us. Before, back in 1997, there wasn't many forums we could go to to talk to people about all these new things.

Then we embraced the new media, we opened up to the new worlds that it offered.

Now, there is a group who have opened up an island on a virtual reality program called 'second life' , i don't know if any of you have heard of it yet, but it's a bit like the story in neal stephenson's "snowcrash". Amazing story, in my opinion, and very much how a certain segment of our culture are logging on to enjoy, if we don't totally anhilate ourselves on the planet before that concept reaches 100% reality.

It is free for everyone to attend. Nobody is asking for money. Everyone, in whatever shape or form , is welcomed.

I am hosting an event there this sunday, but I have had problems. The moderators on this forum, have deleted all my postings I have made regarding the event, and have moved it to a section called 'promotional media'.

Whilst I appreciate the sentiments, I believe that the sentiment towards this is incorrect.

It is not about promotional media. It is a virtual *party*. A *worldwide* party.

Like a radio show, except *Everyone* is invited to be a part of it, to interact with the dj's, artists (some who will be playing *live*) interact with the dancers, meet new like minded people from all over the world. This is all about psy trance.

It is like isratrance, only you can *see* the avatars of the people, and it's on a magical island, much like a place we'd all like to visit.

I wish to help circulate information, introduce people, to include dj's from all over the world. Not people from just one country, at events in the future. Bring people together, promote new ideas, new foundations...

Perhaps there should be a section for international *Events*. Because, I believe that this is an *event*, it has nothing to do with promotional media, it is about live performance, in more ways than one. It *is* a party. And there will be many more.
People don't go to promotional media to find out about virtual events. Most people don't even know about it...

I'd like to know what peoples thoughts are on sharing this virtual aspect of the psychedelic music scene on an international level. Thank you.
Kane
IsraTrance Junior Member

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Posted : Jan 24, 2007 00:46
A video isn't going to be anything near a close substitute for being at a party for me, sorry.

If you want to do this look for DVD's of live acts
mudpeople
IsraTrance Full Member

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Posted : Jan 24, 2007 01:02
I think that virtual parties like this are a nice concept, but I think to a majority of trancers, being there in that special location is half the fun of the party, and its not easily duplicated with a virtual setup like that. Its a good thing, as you said, to get people from all over to come and interact. In a sense it would be easier to talk to people, as none of them will be (obviously) under the influence. (I cant imagine taking anything when attending a virtual party anyway)

What it sounds like, is that there should be a new segment of Trance in the World, dedicated to Second Life and all the aspects of it... But thats something to take up with the Admin. And maybe something that can wait til there is more demand for it?


I love the idea of a party full of people from all over the world at the same time, but at the same time Im not too keen on the idea of sitting in front of the computer, partying...

If there was full headgear and gloves, along with a treadmill to walk on, then hell yes! Or a pair of glasses like Hiro Protagonist's...           .
Kaz
IsraTrance Full Member

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Posted : Jan 24, 2007 02:47
As a diehard psytrancer, I believe that dancing at a party was a solo experience - the setting is there only for the input, dancing, the music, everything, is for yourself. Dancing at a party is a solo experience - the deepest joys of becoming one with the music need a catalyst but in the end are a very subjective, personal experince (in a meditative way, speaking for myself). The world is experienced subjectively, the input varies, but the bottom line is all in the skull, in that lies the darkness of the world, and in that lies the glory.

As the trigger for this experience, the party is not necessary, since the experience we look for at parties (that specific combination of emotions) can be achieved in other ways. So, would the party experience be diminished if we had our senses given a similar input to our minds? As a diehard psytrancer, the experience would be the same, and henceforth a blessed thing, a communion without borders, without cops, without limits. Sure, the input may differ, but hey, maybe it'll be fresher, more exciting. I dance like no one's watching anyways, so I may as well do that at home (the neighbors downstairs might hate me, but fuck'em, I'll dance on a rug and they'll shut up).

As a somewhat more seasoned partygoer (aka, aging, dissillusioned and somewhat annoying bastard), I can say that the experience in itself is great, but viewed from afar - useless, eventually futile. At the end of the day, you are left with memories of something outstanding in an out-of-this-world way, but too much of this, and you notice that more memories aren't needed except as annecdotes for conversation. What you're left with on a grander scale is friends, a connection with people, someone to talk with and talk about. Human beings, human interaction, love in it's various manifestations.

And in this, there is no replacement (yet) for good, old-fassioned, being there in person with other people around. We're there because the experience we DO need, that DOES make it special, is the actual gathering. Not anything else. That's why there can be an awesome party with one terrible track after another, and a horrid party with brilliant music all the way through.

A virtual party is a nice idea, but it's more a videogame than anything else - just like World of Warcraft is really not a world, no matter how hard you play. I'm not saying I wouldn't attend - hell, I'd probably even have fun. I'm just saying, no cigar.

*note: just noticed the date of the original post. Shame I didn't bother looking in the promotional media section.          http://www.myspace.com/Hooloovoo222
Yidam
IsraTrance Full Member

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Posts :  3171
Posted : Jan 24, 2007 04:32
Glad someone made the Snowcrash connection. It was quite a surprise when I discovered second life. Cool concept but I havn't really got hooked in yet. Maybe if they do more parties!

I came across the Festival Island too. Looks like they had one on the 21st ...


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As advertised on party forums, NEW WAVE PRODUCTIONS brings you Virtuosity.

Join us on Festival Island for 5 hours worth of funky delicious electronica brought to you by some amazing talent from Australia and Israel, playing to a worldwide audience for the first time here on Second Life.

Lineup includes:
Marsoups
Disco Trash (breaks / electro)
Mesq (Gi'iwa Productions)
Senoi Vs. Crazy Ducks (Harmonize Records)
Tsabeat (Gi'iwa Products / Doof Records / Sattle Battle)

With an infusion of chill, ambient, driving through to a crescendo of full blown crunch funky trance beats, through to breaks and electro and virtual assimilation of the orgasmatron (TM)

Bring out your glowsticks, your costumes, firebreathers, fancy moves and whatever you can squeeze into your inventory and come share some of the magic with us.

*Live* lighting show, lasers, and plenty of eye candy to feast your eyes on.

Please follow directions at the teleport point to the event itself, as it may change location due to narc interests.C you!

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slyman604
IsraTrance Junior Member

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Posted : Jan 24, 2007 06:18
it would destroy psytrance.
if you could have the same experience any time, any place, any where....it would dull the experience to the point of being not much different than a movie or television.

i mean i'm sure the first people who ever watched a movie back in the early 20th century must have thought it some kind of magical experience, looking into another dimension. now its just something to pass the time.
Yidam
IsraTrance Full Member

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Posted : Jan 25, 2007 19:02
Hmmm slyman604. I disagree there. In terms of music and visuals I really think this would push things further. From the parties I've been to recently I really think artists playing their own music off Live is the future and this seems to be a good way of doing the same in a virtual enviroment.

As for the scene, and the vibe. Yes, this is far from reality but I dont think it would affect the present state which is getting more fragmented by the day.
Psytrance is on its way to destruction/evolution. Maybe this can move all things in that direction or even be used to promote another point of view.

I'm really not into second life so I totally vouch for all of this but I do think its a fresh perspective and is pretty psychedelic in its own way.
Basilisk
IsraTrance Full Member

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Posted : Jan 25, 2007 19:07
It is an interesting concept to explore even if it has little appeal for me personally...
Yidam
IsraTrance Full Member

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Posted : Jan 25, 2007 19:51
oops

* I'm really not into second life so I cannot totally vouch for all of this but I do think its a fresh perspective and is pretty psychedelic in its own way.
Dale


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Posted : Feb 24, 2007 07:56
Our first event is on tomorrow, a great community is already forming, http://www.festivalisland.com for more details.           http://www.festivalisland.com
http://www.oztrance.com
Anak
Anakoluth

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Posted : Feb 24, 2007 20:23
sex on the phone. i think it's sad to come up with such ideas. my 2 cents.           Anakoluth A Pebble in Your Eardrum's Shoe since 2001!
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Al.x F.


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Posted : Feb 24, 2007 21:18
nice idea.. it can be fun too and ill check the island..
but like some ppl above me said it can really ruin psy-trance and it won't be something special and like someone said before me 'it will be like watching TV'.

this is my opinion, i think ppl agree with me.
and again, this is very nice idea but.. think good about what it can do to the psy-trance scene.

good luck any way.
Mike A
Subra

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Posted : Feb 28, 2007 10:53
Not with today's technology.

Virtual Reality is nothing close to the real thing, yet.
astralseeker


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Posted : Feb 28, 2007 11:35
[quote]
On 2007-01-18 16:09, Marsoupial wrote:

"I don't know about you guys, but I would jump at the opportunity to experience foreign parties from the comforts of my own home. "

You won't experience anything in your own home than your own home and your mental projections

... to experience just for the aim of experiencing does not always lead to constructive paths and is never spiritually, mentally and physically free


"To see what parties are like in Israel, to get a feel for what happens there, and to be able to interact with all of those people from all places around the globe, and to share the psychedelic experience in a virtual environment."

what kind of "feel " are you talking about ?
Don't you think that virtual world is the less "feeling " place you could find ?

"to interact" : maybe it would be better to share with people than "virtually interact " ?

internet is an amazing tool, but just a tool.... willing to set ourselves as god equals, creating world, won't be free



"With modern technology ,it has opened up a new way of existing for many of us.
Then we embraced the new media, we opened up to the new worlds that it offered."

the only true way of existing is sharing love and modern technology won't especially help in that

..just keep on listening to mr bill gates that says that computers will make people less isolates ;-)

You should maybe try to embrace the world that god give you instead of jumping directly in the trap of the cyber one, cause human creations are always more illusives than god ones, but this we all find out very soon

peace , light and love

chris

Marsoupial
IsraTrance Junior Member

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Posted : Feb 28, 2007 13:51
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On 2007-02-24 21:18, iiilex3~ wrote:
nice idea.. it can be fun too and ill check the island..
but like some ppl above me said it can really ruin psy-trance and it won't be something special and like someone said before me 'it will be like watching TV'.

this is my opinion, i think ppl agree with me.
and again, this is very nice idea but.. think good about what it can do to the psy-trance scene.

good luck any way.



I disagree with some of the points that have been made..

Yes, sure it is a bit like watching tv, but far more interactive. After last weekend, I actually *felt* like I'd been at a good party on Sunday night, even though I was in the comfort of my home, smoking weed, drinks, and chatting to some of my friends that I normally chat to anyway.

It's not the same, as a real party for sure.. Its' not going to stop people going to parties , either.. I don't know why, but people seem to get this idea that people will stop their normal lives to stare at a screen... No ways... Real life can't replace this.. There is no ways I'm giving up real parties to sit on a computer.

When yuo say 'what good it's doing to the psytrance scene', have you thought about some of these things that where earlier on believed to destroy the scene :
* Internet
* Music download & pirating technologies, kazaar, etc.

There is the argument that it opens it up to more people , in fact... Some people will come, and really enjoy what we show, and want to attend real parties like this... In fact, we've introduced quite a few people to the scene like this... That are only pleased to discover something they would never normally encounter in normal day to day life.

I think overreactionary is not the way, with this new way of doign things. It's merely designed to be a place where you can come and meet people, and relax... If that's your thing... However, it's not for everyone. It requires high quality hardware to be able to enjoy it , and not everyone likes to sit on the computer...

Personally, I like being able to go to a virtual party every once in a while from comfort of my home, and I would love to see dj's from othe parts of the world play too, where I would normally not be able to do that type of thing.

For me, it's an added bit of diversity to lifes' program...
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