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More police brutality at rave (This time USA)
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UnderTow
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Posted : Aug 23, 2005 00:10
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pr0fane
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Posted : Aug 23, 2005 00:21
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rich
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Posted : Aug 23, 2005 00:57
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full_on
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Posted : Aug 23, 2005 01:03
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Sad story... Please keep us updated.
The first link provided by rich says "This was an all drum and bass event...". Just adding, of course it was a complete disrespect by the police.
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offthenutboom
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Posted : Aug 23, 2005 01:59
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Surrender
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Posted : Aug 23, 2005 02:09
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wow, shocking video... 
i heard something about this in the news a few days ago, this is indeed troubling.
the us has got the rave act which is a federal law that permits state and federal powers to close down events in this exact manner. "On the other hand, you have different fingers."
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psyman
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Posted : Aug 23, 2005 03:58
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this email i got from one of the yahoo groups check this out looks like we are in the wrong country then we have been told.
Please repost this if you care about basic human rights and feel that this is wrong. This happened in Utah please read below.
Here is the video footage:
original location: http://homepage.mac.com/apexgrin/FileSharing2.html
mirror location: http://public.ravetrax.com/utah/
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Knick of Evol intent puts the night's events into his own words::
Last night, I was booked to play an event about an hour outside of Salt Lake City, Utah. The hype behind this show was huge, they presold 700 tickets and they expected up to 3,000 people total. The promoters did an amazing job with the show.. they even made slipmats with the flyers on them to promote in local shops.
So, we got to the show around 11:15 or so and it was really cool. It was all outdoors, in a valley surrounded by huge mountains. They had an amazing light show flashing on to a mountain behind the site, the sound was booming, the crowd was about 1500 people thick and everything just seemed too good to be true really. Well...
At about 11:30 or so, I was standing behind the stage talking with someone when I noticed a helicopter pulling over one of the mountain tops. I jokingly said "Oh look, here comes big brother" to the person I was with. I wasn't far off.
The helicopter dipped lower and lower and started shining its lights on the crowd. I was kind of in awe and just sat and watched this thing circle us for a minute. As I looked back towards the crowd I saw a guy dressed in camoflauge walking by, toting an assault rifle. At this point, everyone was fully aware of what was going on . A few "troops" rushed the stage and cut the sound off and started yelling that everyone "get the fuck out of here or go to jail". This is where it got really sticky.
No one resisted. That's for sure. They had police dogs raiding the crowd of people and I saw a dog signal out a guy who obviously had some drugs on him. The soldiers attacked the guy (4 of them on 1), and kicked him a few times in the ribs and had their knees in his back and sides. As they were cuffing him, there was about 1000 kids trying to leave in the backdrop, peacefully. Next thing I know, A can of fucking TEAR GAS is launched into the crowd. People are running and screaming at this point. Girls are crying, guys are cussing... bad scene.
Now, this is all I saw with my own eyes, but I heard plenty of other accounts of the night. Now this isnt gossip I heard from some candy raver, these are instances cited straight out of the promoters mouth..
- One of the promoters friends (a very small female) was attacked by one of the police dogs. As she struggled to get away from it, the police tackled her. 3 grown men proceeded to KICK HER IN THE STOMACH.
- The police confiscated 3 video tapes in total. People were trying to document what was happening out there. The police saw one guy filming and ran after him, tackled him and his camera fell, and luckily.. his friend grabbed it and ran and got away. priceless footage. That's not all though. Out of 1,500 people, there's sure to be more footage.
- The police were rounding up the staff of the party and the main promoter went up to them with the permit for the show and said "here, I have the permit." The police then said, "no you don't" and ripped the permit out of his hand. Then, they put an assault rifle to his forehead and said "get the fuck out of here right now."
Now.. let's get the facts straight here.
This event was 100% legal. They had every permit the city told them they needed. They had a 2 MILLION DOLLAR insurance policy for the event. They had liscenced security guards at the gates confiscating any alcohol or drugs found upon entry (yes, they searched every car on the way in). Oh, I suppose I should mention that they arrested all the security guards for possession.
Oh another interesting fact.. the police did not have a warrant. The owner of the land already has a lawsuit against the city for something similar. A few months ago, she rented her land for a party and the police raided that as well. And catch this, the police forced her to LEAVE HER OWN PERSONAL PROPERTY. That's right. They didnt arrest her, but made her leave her own property!!!
Don't get it twisted, this is all going down in probably THE most conservative state in the USA. And this is scary.. a gross violation of our civil liberties. The police wanted this party shut down, so they made it happen. Even though everything about this event was legal. The promoters spent over $ 20,000 on this show and did everything they had to to make it legit, only to have it taken away from them by a group of radical neo-con's with an agenda.
This was one of the scariest things I have ever witnessed in person. I can't even begin to describe how surreal it was. Helicopters, assault rifles, tear gas, camoflauge-wearing soldiers.... why? Was that really necessary?
This needs to be big news across the USofA. At least in our music scene (edm as a whole)... this could happen to any of us at any time. When we're losing the right to gather peacefully, we're also letting the police set a standard of what we can get away with. And I think that's BULLSHIT!
The system fucked up last night... They broke up a party that was 100% legal and they physically hurt a lot of people there at the same time. The promoters already have 6 lawsuits ready to file with their lawyers and the ACLU is already involved.
I'm sure some pictures (and hopefully some video) will surface soon. I'll make sure to post them up here on 404, so you can see the Police State of America at work.
the video with sound they didnt want you to see http://public.ravetrax.com/utah/
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Willy Wonka
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Posted : Aug 23, 2005 04:33
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Good we not USA. One thing i know about yankies, they like laws games, with lawyers and shite. SO the only way to fight them is in courthouse so the "most democratic" country will learn what is democracy about! Jeez just think what Iraq and Afganistan can be soon with USA presence. |
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*Karma Cola*
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Posted : Aug 23, 2005 05:09
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@Willy
Stop being a wanker dude... whats the scene in Iraq and Afghanistan gotta do with this?
This is probably the 2nd legit party the po-po have destroyed.
One in the Czech republic and now Utah.
I was at the Bigfoot Fest in Ontario,Canada and it was incredibly cool.
Surreal how this happened at prolly teh same time halfway across the continent.
hope those poor people can somehow get redemption!!!!
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acidonacid
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Posted : Aug 23, 2005 05:25
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I agree with you but the crowd there suffer also.
The Problem is all over the world..
Something very bad and sad about our community.
How can we resist?
Open your mind... |
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gatsby
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Posted : Aug 23, 2005 06:40
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Best summary of the news so far IMHO: http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Dance_party_broken_up_by_police_in_Utah%2C_USA
Some of the lessons U.S. organizers might draw from this:
1. have a local attorney with knowledge of county ordinances; obtain all permits.
2. Govern the party or the police will govern it for you. Do all you can to make sure attendees do not deal, or use contraband. Encourage attendees to view the party as a community in which they have a stake protecting. Get as much security as you can afford to deal with the minority that will not cooperate.
3. Don't let the party get bigger than your organization. If people can't reach organizers to complain, they might outreach to police instead.
I have also made the point in another thread that we should not jump to conclusions about this. Utah is a very unusual U.S. state with a very repressive social climate dominated by Mormons. I think this is a uniquely Utah approach to a problem of diversity that they have difficulty handling in any degree. I would not live in Utah if my life depended on it.
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PsyCore
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Posted : Aug 23, 2005 07:39
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I've been following this for about 24hrs now. It happened almost 48hrs ago...
The video has been downloaded enough times to shutdown 4 mirrors. It has been mentioned on countless forums all over the GLOBE.
And just now are some of those arrested being released... on false charges. http://www.utrave.org/showthread.php?t=20248
If any of you have seen the video, the girl in the red sweatshirt http://www.co.utah.ut.us/Dept/Sheriff/InmateDetail.asp?id=179391 was tackled for pulling her shoulder away from two guys in full riot gear. Resisting arrest? Yes. Four grown men in riot gear versus one scared girl.
I'm not going to rant on injustice, or say stuff you already know, http://www.utrave.org but I am going to leave you with one fact I found hidden among the numerous threads on that forum.(Check the two that have the most people viewing if you really feel like researching.)
The police had been monitoring that particular forum for at least a month.. as registered members, even. They knew exactly where, when, who and what was going to happen way before it was set to take place.
They got infiltrated, and taken down from the inside.
Anyone else think its time to go back to email lists and map points? If the psytrance scene in the rest of the country (and maybe even other countries) is anything like what I have enjoyed in the Los Angeles area, then I would do anything to prevent the loss of it.
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ondianz
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Posted : Aug 23, 2005 10:01
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This is very sad indeed...a cold day in the mountains
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DiMiTry
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Posted : Aug 23, 2005 10:30
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On 2005-08-23 07:39, PsyCore wrote:
The police had been monitoring that particular forum for at least a month.. as registered members, even. They knew exactly where, when, who and what was going to happen way before it was set to take place.
They got infiltrated, and taken down from the inside.
Anyone else think its time to go back to email lists and map points? |
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maybe..
though i think it's too late, and it's infiltrated way deeper than we realize. it may only be the local police who make the actual bust, they usually get help from other, better informed, agencies.. and the media is usually not on our side, either, which doesn't help. 
hiding isn't really an option, imo. I mean, who wants to put up with this kind of shit every time or even every 10th time you throw a party?? i think we just need to make them realize something that we all know: that DANCING IS NOT A CRIME. how we do that? well, that's another story... but it's worth a try.
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The Green Channel
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Posted : Aug 23, 2005 10:45
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The only way to fight these cruel injustices is by the judicial-system. If there is one thing that every single American is afraid of its getting his ass sued off. If I was the organizer of an event of this size, I would have two lawyers on duty during the whole party (like someone already suggested and I have also heard that in Israel its common practice in major clubs to have an attorney present). Furthermore I would set-up surveillance cameras, so whole event was being monitored. Now I’m not saying that all this would stop scenes like this, BUT I promise, that the Utah police/national guard would think twice before raiding a LEGAL event, because they would surely loose the case in a court of law (the supreme court in America is not completely fucked-up, they have approved of Doctor Shulgin’s practices and they have approved the use of ceremonial Ayahuasca and Peyote).
Fight the system with the system.
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