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More police brutality at rave (This time USA)
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DiMiTry
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Posted : Aug 23, 2005 11:20
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I'll give you two words (or is it one word?  ):
PR
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_relations
turning around the negative connotation of the word 'rave' will do wonders. calling it a 'festival' is a good start.
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THE-ORACLE
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This if from another board...
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Last night, I was booked to play an event about an hour outside of Salt Lake City, Utah. The hype behind this show was huge, they presold 700 tickets and they expected up to 3,000 people total. The promoters did an amazing job with the show.. they even made slipmats with the flyers on them to promote in local shops.
So, we got to the show around 11:15 or so and it was really cool. It was all outdoors, in a valley surrounded by huge mountains. They had an amazing light show flashing on to a mountain behind the site, the sound was booming, the crowd was about 1500 people thick and everything just seemed too good to be true really. Well...
At about 11:30 or so, I was standing behind the stage talking with someone when I noticed a helicopter pulling over one of the mountain tops. I jokingly said "Oh look, here comes big brother" to the person I was with. I wasn't far off.
The helicopter dipped lower and lower and started shining its lights on the crowd. I was kind of in awe and just sat and watched this thing circle us for a minute. As I looked back towards the crowd I saw a guy dressed in camoflauge walking by, toting an assault rifle. At this point, everyone was fully aware of what was going on . A few "troops" rushed the stage and cut the sound off and started yelling that everyone "get the fuck out of here or go to jail". This is where it got really sticky.
No one resisted. That's for sure. They had police dogs raiding the crowd of people and I saw a dog signal out a guy who obviously had some drugs on him. The soldiers attacked the guy (4 of them on 1), and kicked him a few times in the ribs and had their knees in his back and sides. As they were cuffing him, there was about 1000 kids trying to leave in the backdrop, peacefully. Next thing I know, A can of fucking TEAR GAS is launched into the crowd. People are running and screaming at this point. Girls are crying, guys are cussing... bad scene.
Now, this is all I saw with my own eyes, but I heard plenty of other accounts of the night. Now this isnt gossip I heard from some candy raver, these are instances cited straight out of the promoters mouth..
- One of the promoters friends (a very small female) was attacked by one of the police dogs. As she struggled to get away from it, the police tackled her. 3 grown men proceeded to KICK HER IN THE STOMACH.
- The police confiscated 3 video tapes in total. People were trying to document what was happening out there. The police saw one guy filming and ran after him, tackled him and his camera fell, and luckily.. his friend grabbed it and ran and got away. priceless footage. That's not all though. Out of 1,500 people, there's sure to be more footage.
- The police were rounding up the staff of the party and the main promoter went up to them with the permit for the show and said "here, I have the permit." The police then said, "no you don't" and ripped the permit out of his hand. Then, they put an assault rifle to his forehead and said "get the fuck out of here right now."
Now.. let's get the facts straight here.
This event was 100% legal. They had every permit the city told them they needed. They had a 2 MILLION DOLLAR insurance policy for the event. They had liscenced security guards at the gates confiscating any alcohol or drugs found upon entry (yes, they searched every car on the way in). Oh, I suppose I should mention that they arrested all the security guards for possession.
Oh another interesting fact.. the police did not have a warrant. The owner of the land already has a lawsuit against the city for something similar. A few months ago, she rented her land for a party and the police raided that as well. And catch this, the police forced her to LEAVE HER OWN PERSONAL PROPERTY. That's right. They didnt arrest her, but made her leave her own property!!!
Don't get it twisted, this is all going down in probably THE most conservative state in the USA. And this is scary.. a gross violation of our civil liberties. The police wanted this party shut down, so they made it happen. Even though everything about this event was legal. The promoters spent over $ 20,000 on this show and did everything they had to to make it legit, only to have it taken away from them by a group of radical neo-con's with an agenda.
This was one of the scariest things I have ever witnessed in person. I can't even begin to describe how surreal it was. Helicopters, assault rifles, tear gas, camoflauge-wearing soldiers.... why? Was that really necessary?
This needs to be big news across the USofA. At least in our music scene (edm as a whole)... this could happen to any of us at any time. When we're losing the right to gather peacefully, we're also letting the police set a standard of what we can get away with. And I think that's BULLSHIT!
The system fucked up last night... They broke up a party that was 100% legal and they physically hurt a lot of people there at the same time. The promoters already have 6 lawsuits ready to file with their lawyers and the ACLU is already involved.
I'm sure some pictures (and hopefully some video) will surface soon. I'll make sure to post them up here on 404, so you can see the Police State of America at work.
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Video of helicopters and guys with assault rifles and dogs beating up kids:
http://slcdnb.com/versus.mov
http://www.thoughtbludgeon.com/fascism.wmv
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Police raid rave party in Spanish Fork Canyon
Party's over: 90 officers from several agencies cite 60 at the event, which had more than 400 people in attendance
By Michael N. Westley
The Salt Lake Tribune
About 60 people were arrested Saturday night when police officers busted an illegal rave in Spanish Fork Canyon.
Those arrested were cited on a variety of charges including the possession of illegal narcotics, weapons violations, DUI, illegal consumption of alcohol by a minor, disorderly conduct, assaulting a police officer and drug distribution.
The youngest of those cited was 15 years old, said Utah County Sheriff's Sgt. Dan Gilbert.
Police in Utah County have monitored several raves this summer and have grown increasingly concerned about their legality and safety, Gilbert said. When detectives got word that another party was planned for Saturday, they set to work to make sure they got their point across that such activity was not welcome in their area.
"The Sheriff's Office will investigate and look into and find an illegal mass gathering going on, we will take the appropriate action to stop the party at that time," Gilbert said.
Investigators learned that no permit had been requested for a mass gathering which requires a bond and Utah County Commission approval for groups larger than 250, said Gilbert. Police learned around noon Saturday that the rave would be held in the Diamond Fork area of Spanish Fork Canyon and assembled about 90 officers from several agencies to enforce crowd control.
Undercover officers filtered into the party when the doors opened about 9 p.m. By 11:30 p.m. police confirmed that more than 250 people were in attendance and stormed the party. During their two hours at the DJ-driven dance party, undercover officers had observed a multitude of illegal activities including the sale and consumption of drugs such as cocaine, ecstacy, alcohol, methamphetamine and marijuana.
"The sale of drugs at these parties is so prevalent that at this particular rave party, drugs were offered to local off-duty emergency medical service personnel
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who were contracted to be there," Gilbert said.
A 17-year-old West Jordan girl overdosed on ecstasy, police said. Most of the participants were between 15 and 30 years old and were from Spanish Fork, Springville, Provo, Payson, as well as Davis and Salt Lake counties, Gilbert said. Two security guards hired by the promotor were arrested for the possession of cocaine and ecstasy and Spanish Fork police made two DUI arrests as partyers drove out of the canyon, he said.
Most of the 400 or so ravers left peacefully.
But others were detained if they had been seen doing something illegal or showed visible signs of impairment, said Gilbert.
In a sweep of the area after the crowd had been controlled, which one raver said was executed with unnecessary force, police found a plethora of drugs and drug paraphernalia scattered on the ground, Gilbert said.
Brett George told Fox News 13 that officers stormed the party and treated attendees unfairly, including beating one man that was trying to film the bust with a video camera.
Police want parents of teenagers to know the dangers of illegal, clandestine rave parties. Gilbert said that in addition to heavy drug use, raves attract sexual assaults, violence, theft and promote unsafe driving under the influence of drugs or alcohol.
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the video is shocking.
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gatsby
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Posted : Aug 23, 2005 19:08
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On 2005-08-23 07:39, PsyCore wrote:
The police had been monitoring that particular forum for at least a month.. as registered members, even. They knew exactly where, when, who and what was going to happen way before it was set to take place.
They got infiltrated, and taken down from the inside.
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Big surprise.
It is always my assumption that law enforcement is a presence on every online forum, and most email lists. We are living in a world of eroded and disappearing privacy. We should adjust to that rather than waste time complaining.
There is no need to retreat to map points and private email lists because, at least in the U.S., dance parties are legal, as long as certain rules are followed.
We need to have lawyers, and people videotaping the party. We also need to govern ourselves and throw people out of parties who are blatantly breaking the law.
We need to understand local county and city ordinances and do our best to comply with them. We need to respect noise complaints.
If we govern ourselves we will basically be safe, in the U.S. at least. But we need to take illegal activities at our events very, very seriously, if they occur.
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droozi
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Posted : Aug 23, 2005 19:39
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Maybe all of us so have a same day protest all around the world .... that way we can make an impactful statement to the rest of the world that the people who suffered in utah and the czeck republic are not alone and that they have support from a lot of people. This is unexceptable behaviour and we should do something to show the authorities that what they have done is wrong. I know in America all we have to do is get media coverage - best way to do that is to tell the media that a pregnant white girl in her mid-twenties is missing after the police raid - that should do the job i think. I say we all get together at on Sunday Sept 4th at times square or something - say around noon or something. what say you all?
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Surrender
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good thought droozi, i think the approach should be more organized and by that i mean - we should get a legal permit to protest. this is how it works best.... otherwise the whole demonstration is illegal and that is never a good move in the US.
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Pisces1979
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You do not need a permit to protest in the US, the supreme court has ruled on it many times. You do need a permit for a parade, which is a procession to parade in the streets ( ie the saint patrick's day parade). By the way, if you want a protest, I would suggest Union Square as a better location than times square. Times Square is to congested, and Union square has almost daily anti-war demostrations, and was a rallying ground for jewish anarchists in the 1920's. DO NOT APPLY FOR A PERMIT. YOU HAVE AN ABSOLUTE RIGHT TO FREEDOM OF PEACEFUL ASSEMBLY AND FREE SPEECH.
Oh yeah, how about making Orange the color of our protest? Orange is the color of the state of new york, and it is the color used in the revolution last year in the Ukraine.
P.S. Know your rights, neve consent to a search or talk to police without your attornery present.
Here is an excerpt from
http://www.flexyourrights.org/
Street Stop Scenario
In any given public police encounter, with a few notable exceptions, the below rules will help protect your civil rights and improve your chances of leaving safely—so you don't have to be a legal expert to say and do the right thing.
1) Keep Your Private Items Out of View
This is common sense: Always keep any private items that you don't want others to see out of sight. Legally speaking, police do not need a search warrant in order to confiscate any illegal items that are in plain view.
2) Be Courteous & Non-Confrontational
If you are stopped by a police officer, remain calm. Don't ever -- under any circumstances -- talk back or raise your voice to a police officer. You have nothing to gain -- and everything to lose -- by escalating the hostility level of the encounter.
Even if the officers are being belligerent it's always in your best interest to remain calm, courteous and non-confrontational.
3) Determine the Reason You Have Been Stopped
Police may initiate a conversation with any citizen for any reason, however they may not detain you without "reasonable suspicion" that you are engaged in criminal activity. Ask the officer: "Why am I being stopped?" If the officer does not indicate that you are suspected of a specific crime, then this is a casual stop and you should be allowed to terminate the encounter at any time.
If the officer indicates that you are suspected of criminal activity, you are being detained. At this stage, the officer is attempting to find evidence on which to establish probable cause necessary to arrest you. Steps #4, #5, and #6 become extremely important at this point.
4) Just Say "No" to Warrantless Searches
Warning: If a police officer asks your permission to search, you are under no obligation to consent. The only reason he's asking you is because he doesn't have enough evidence to search without your consent. If you consent to a search request you give up one of the most important constitutional rights you have—your Fourth Amendment protection against unreasonable searches and seizures.
A majority of avoidable police searches occur because citizens naively waive their Fourth Amendment rights by consenting to warrantless searches. As a general rule, if a person consents to a warrantless search, the search automatically becomes reasonable and therefore legal. Consequently, whatever an officer finds during such a search can be used to convict the person.
Don't expect a police officer to tell you about your right not to consent. Police officers are not required by law to inform you of your rights before asking you to consent to a search. In addition, police officers are trained to use their authority to get people to consent to a search, and most people are predisposed to comply with any request a police officer makes. For example, the average motorist stopped by a police officer who asks them, "Would you mind if I search your vehicle, please?" will probably consent to the officer's search without realizing that they have every right to deny the officer's request.
If, for any reason you don't want the officer digging through your belongings, you should refuse to consent by saying something like, "Officer, I know you want to do your job, but I do not consent to any searches of my private property." If the officer still proceeds to search you and finds illegal contraband, your attorney can argue that the contraband was discovered through an illegal search and hence should be thrown out of court.
You should never hesitate to assert your constitutional rights. Just say "no!"
5) Determine if You Can Leave
You have the right to terminate an encounter with a police officer unless you are being detained under police custody or have been arrested. The general rule is that you don't have to answer any questions that the police ask you. This rule comes from the Fifth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution, which protects you against self-incrimination. If you cannot tell if you are allowed to leave, say to the officer, "I have to be on my way. Am I free to go?"
If the officer says "Yes," tell him to have a nice day, and leave immediately. If the officer's answer is ambiguous, or if he asks you another unrelated question, persist by asking "am I being detained, or can I go now?" If the officer says "No," you are being detained, and you may be placed under arrest. If this is the case, reassert your rights as outlined above, and follow Rules #6 and #7.
6) Do Not Answer Questions without Your Attorney Present
There is no reason to worry that your failure to answer the officer's questions will later be used against you. The truth is just the opposite: Anything you say can, and probably will, be used against you.
In just about any case imaginable, a person is best off not answering any questions about his involvement in anything illegal. Assert your Fifth and Sixth Amendment rights by saying these exact words: "Officer, I have nothing to say until I speak with a lawyer."
*Remember- If you do choose to answer any of the officer's questions, always be honest. Police are not easily tricked and will often become hostile if they feel disrespected. If you feel it is best not to answer truthfully, then don't say anything at all.
7) Do Not Physically Resist
If the police proceed to detain, search, or arrest you despite your wishes—do not physically resist. You may state clearly but non-confrontationally: "Officer, I am not resisting arrest and I do not consent to any searches." Or you may assert your rights by simply saying nothing until you can speak with an attorney.
"They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security"
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Maska
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Posted : Aug 23, 2005 22:59
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You are right in everything you say above....And asserting your rights peacefully is usually very effective when you are pressed by "bored" cops...I have used these lines a few times in warrantless traffic stops.....And only one time did I actually get a ticket (which I deserved)...........
As far as the right to protest, you are "technically" right, but try telling all the democratic protestors who attempted to peacefully protest outside the Republican National Convention that they don't need permits to do so..........Their rights were violated and that was by the president's administration...Their argument was that they couldn't completely ensure the President's security with so many people around, so they could not protest on public land right outside the convention. Result?They "permitted" (or should I say forced) them to get permits and and could only do it at another piece of land, which was basically, "out of sight and out of mind"............If they can't be heard, they can't be effective.......What I find is that this administration and the Right Wing in general are full of crap and will do anything and everything (even lie!! And they call themselves Christians????) to infringe on our so called rights.....It's crap and we all need to protest and stand up for our rights, since our so called "non biased" media is all run by huge conglomerates that are funded by the right wing....Conflict of Interest????Well , obviously noone cares.....
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Kitnam
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Posted : Aug 23, 2005 23:59
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what to say : modern methods of forcing free human beeings into dependent forms.
give them weapons, give them hamburgers and give them superball. but avoid anything what makes their mind free and difficult to manipulate.
no offence to any us-people, but indeed to the government.
in germany the politics also change in big style. i fear that in 5-10 years we have similar pictures over here.
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green nun
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Posted : Aug 24, 2005 00:05
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If cops want to f.. with you they will f.. with you and unless someone is filming the incident then the situation will always be manipulated to not be in your favor... on the other hand, i respect all living beings, even piggies, so i act accordingly.
Maybe emdef could be of help in organizing something www.emdef.org (good source for info on the rave act too)
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On 2005-08-23 06:40, gatsby wrote:
Utah is a very unusual U.S. state with a very repressive social climate dominated by Mormons. I think this is a uniquely Utah approach to a problem of diversity that they have difficulty handling in any degree. I would not live in Utah if my life depended on it. |
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I think you're bang on here. A very high proportion of Utah officials and law enforcers are Mormon to my knowledge. I grew up in the faith - first 17 years of my life actually - and it is indeed very repressive. I mean we weren't even supposed to wear vests or clothes above the knee etc etc, and that's England never mind the spiritual epicentre of the whole religion. Even drinking tea and coffee are considered sins FFS so you can imagine what they will have thought about several thousand ravers turning up in one place to dance to the devil's music.
I mean I don't mean to be disrespectful here because I'm pretty much the only member of my family who isn't still in the church and I accept their right to live as they choose, however I must say I find the violence described here even more sickening when I consider that many of the officers will have been practising LDS. And so close to Salt Lake City too. They will have found a reason, even if there wasn't one to be found, to shut something like this down.
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Pisces1979
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Posted : Aug 24, 2005 03:22
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This is one thing I will admire about the USA - Its not as corrupt when it comes to its citizens rights and laws. I'm sure if the loads of people speak to their attorneys they could possibly prosecute the police or whoever was behind this raid.
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droozi
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Posted : Aug 24, 2005 16:00
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Bloodclot - that is a wrong notion btw. I have seen many cases of police brutality in the States and specially in NYC where the cops have gone scott free. I agree that the judicial system works better than in a country like say india, but when it comes to protecting their own the law enforment organizations will pull every string there is to make sure one of their own does not do time for the crime. |
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gatsby
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Posted : Aug 24, 2005 18:06
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offthenutboom
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Posted : Aug 24, 2005 18:19
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A must!!! Then all legal records are filed and kept. And then there are grounds to fight back if necessary.
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2. Govern the party or the police will govern it for you. Do all you can to make sure attendees do not deal, or use contraband. Encourage attendees to view the party as a community in which they have a stake protecting. Get as much security as you can afford to deal with the minority that will not cooperate.
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Very Easy... Hire the Police!!! to look for drugs @ the entrance of the party. It is their resposibility to keep the party clean. Of course we are talking about 3000 ppl event.
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3. Don't let the party get bigger than your organization. If people can't reach organizers to complain, they might outreach to police instead.
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I have also made the point in another thread that we should not jump to conclusions about this. Utah is a very unusual U.S. state with a very repressive social climate dominated by Mormons. I think this is a uniquely Utah approach to a problem of diversity that they have difficulty handling in any degree. I would not live in Utah if my life depended on it.
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Well, here in Good FL we have had similar situations without the tear gas. I think it is a local issue and not a State or Federal issue... unless there was a container full of X and weed coming to the party.
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