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Video Interview with GOA GIL
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rich
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Posted : Sep 4, 2010 00:02
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Look at his playlists from 10 years ago and his playlists now.
Also, we all know the ratio of bad music produced these days, compared to the older days. How can he possibly play 12+ hrs of today' music (narrow that down to 'dark psy') and create a cohesive psychedelic trance dance experience when 90% of what he's playing is the garbage most people wouldn't even download for free after listening to samples.
My last 'experience' at a Gill show (not party, show) he played a remix of a cheesy skazi track (amidst senseless other 'dark psy' tracks) and I just go the feeling he's lost any sense of quality music. He's just playing whatever 'dark psy' is sent to him.
As far as his mixing, I don't care. He wasn't bad. And I never gave a shit about DJ tricks, as long as there was a decent flow between like cohesive tracks, whether ambient fade, or quick cutover. I didn't notice anything discordant. It was the quality of music he was playing I had an issue with.
And the fact that he doesn't play the one music almost everyone agrees is undeniably psychedelic. (suomi).
As for the video, I agree 100% with the experience he's talking about. But what he's playing these days just doesn't cut it for me. For those who do dig it, good for you. I'm sure it's a great time. 'Cleansing' and all that. Can't knock someone's experience just cos you don't dig it.
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BrainLizzard
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Posted : Sep 4, 2010 00:02
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First off : Thank you for your words, they mean so much more to me than just saying he sux...Way better than our troll will ever do, ha mk47..
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On 2010-09-03 22:14, Pavel wrote:
I don't like any kind of connection between music I love and religion.
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- Wow!!! That is a powerful and heart felt statement, for me, your lizzard has his own religion and doesn't need Gil or anyone else to taint it with their own belief structure as well.. However belief structures whether its for or against it comes with the whole trance dance from GOA to Neurotrance with science..
We all believe in music at some point or another within our own minds, no?
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On 2010-09-03 22:14, Pavel wrote:
Also, he has no DJ'ing skills even after so many years in the business.
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Gil does have Dj skills, just not up to par per many peeps beliefs.. Gil has boxed himself by playing with DAT's or even playing with only 2 channels which has limits per a dj or even artist.. Does Gil even know he has boxed himself, he can grow from this but will he?
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On 2010-09-03 22:14, Pavel wrote:
I really love when people believe in one thing and act differently.
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That is a fair statement 
(Later on)
The following preview, short movie idea is titled, "A DATE WITH DEATH" :
To avoid music just yet, "WE" could dive into Ego for the next few post if you like  
"If You Always Think What You've Always Thought, You Will Always Feel What You've Always Felt" |
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BrainLizzard
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Posted : Sep 4, 2010 02:37
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Okay i'll start with my Ego... Give your lizzard one DAT player and whatever other tool you want and He can mix better than Gil 
Okay seriously :
Why all the EGO within Gil and his baba hood? I know he is an old-timer and all, butt phuck isn't that just an excuse to cover up for the bull?
I can let you in on a secret about Gil but lets toy around with the Ego and Evangelist first, baba the preacher and his face value in making a living story has been told so lets over look the money part..
Later in this story or interview indirectly devoted for Gil, "we" will talk about his roll in The Nommos...
"If You Always Think What You've Always Thought, You Will Always Feel What You've Always Felt" |
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Maine Coon
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On 2010-09-03 21:29, Moki.Time.Wave.Zero wrote:
and also it would be interesting to hear from females about their experience . if any of them ever felt "devoted" to this psychedelic experience (and really to the experience and not to the star, to the father projection or to the strong patriarchs who come and save the world etc).
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This is a good question. I have another one for you: why would one’s gender matter at all?
Sure, if we are discussing “psychedelic experience” as a physiological (or pharmacological) phenomenon – it makes sense that there may be some gender differences, biological peculiarities. Or it can be about psychology: how roles and stereotypes beaten into us by the society affect our spiritual development (and psychedelic experiences in particular). But if you approach all this from some kind of purely spiritual platform – I am not sure souls have gender. I don’t know much about souls myself, just guessing here.  It seems that your question is about the influence of psychological gender stereotypes (although you used the word “females”, which would also include feminists and lesbians). What are your own thoughts on this? How was your own “devotion” different from that of Sven, for example?
(Could be an interesting separate topic, actually)
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another question is, what would the trance world be if there had been a god mother in goa in those days.
generally, what would the scene be if it was not so patriarch-based.
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I didn’t know the scene was patriarchal. There are more male producers than female. But does it reflect any kind of power structure? Is there any power structure in this scene at all outside big festivals (and Goa Gil’s parties  )? If it’s not about power, it’s not about patriarchy. Maybe males are just more inclined towards tweaking knobs and pushing sliders. Do you really perceive producers and DJs as psy trance mayors and sheriffs?
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from my point of view, i can only say that i believe patriarchies are wrong and will never ever be " pure". their karma will not be pure. never.
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One of my favorite jokes goes like this: “What is a cult? – It’s that church across the street from yours”
Here is a similar idea from the material plane: any leftist will tell you that good working people should be given a tax break and rich folks should be taxed up to their eyeballs. If you ask where they think we should draw the line, everybody gives a different answer. But it’s always 120-150% of what the person you asked currently makes
I don’t think I should explain how all this relates to you and the issue of patri-/matriarchy. 
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moki
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Posted : Sep 4, 2010 14:25
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my devotion was based on the fact that i always saw most of all his SOUL and not the star, the patriarch and the godfather. i always saw a soul, sometimes even a soul of a child that i have known for ages and i feel very connected to the soul.
and i had no BMW to drive him here and there everywhere he wishes:)))). that is why he preferred another devotion:))))).
no seriousy. i expressed my devotion in the act of doing the video and spreading it. but somehow goa gil always had this patriarchal attitude that if a man and woman work together then it is the man who did the job. i never liked this attitude, especially because it was not true. but i try to stay humble.
as far as the experience is concerned , i enjoyed all my trips really a lot and always had fascinating visions, but only till 2006, till the video came out. after that i realised the role that this patriarchal scene has offered to me and never became a part of it again. especially because no one seems to care that violence on a woman is not okey.
danced for an hour or two at the festivals and then always searched for a hidden place in the forest where i can listen to the sound and be away from the theater of egos. nowadays i only listen to mixes on cd.
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well, because psychologically a woman has another attitude to a father projection or a patriarchal projection or even to a star than a male. and this is also something that i paid attention to in india, as we were with the babas in the north. men and women were kind of separated. i was even sent to go and investigate what the female babas do in their tents because male have a different tradition and a diffferent way to teach one another. i tried but came back to the male camp because these are all just souls to me and they are, like any other souls, also tapped in their own mind restrictions.
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producers not so much, but i do perceive most places in the internet as that. i believe i had visions to share with other freaks, and every time i tried some programming sheriff came and took the word from me and came to forbide my work and ban me. years after that they always without exception realised that they did it because of their emotional issue with the woman who had too much to say. why is that, what are they afraid of, i dont understand. it is the best thing about the forums, that even if we are not all first friends with everyone, we are different soulds and can learn from each other and share experiences that we would never have alone. why not just let this particular female approach also come to word, why is this so difficult.
but i continue to try to be humble. the law of attraction you know. you attract what you need. may be the fault was mine:). any way i do feel a kind of a power structure that i definitely dont like. and it is the reason why i dont like my own video any more.
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willsanquil
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Posted : Sep 4, 2010 16:28
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Has anyone else here been completely bamboozled by all this talk of patriarchy and shit? in the psy scene? seriously?
I see no one beating women away from the decks at the parties I go to. Isn't it just true that there are many, many more males producing and DJing than there are women? I refuse to believe that this has something to do with men beating women down (not literally), and much more to do with maybe guys are just more inclined to while away hours and hours of time chopping up and mangling audio to pieces.
Never felt anything but love for all people at psy fests. but then again I never went to a gil show. probably never will - music sounds like swill to me.
If you want to make an apple pie from scratch...you must first invent the universe
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Beat Agency
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Posted : Sep 4, 2010 16:53
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Please cut this "Lizzard" nonsense thanks
Now back on topic.
Gil can do what he please and it's up to people to chose to like or dislike it and for organizers to pay overcharged fees or not. I personally lost interest in him ages ago due to his awful mixing skills (I can mix better on DAT's than he can - Proved by my many 90's 10-12 hour Dj sets around the globe on DAT's with no train-wreck mixes) "Rituals" on stage and choice of music.
But the point is. Just dont go and see him if you dont like what's hes into. Simple as that
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Axis Mundi
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Posted : Sep 4, 2010 16:58
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I don't really buy into the whole "patriarchy in the psy scene" idea either. I think when this starts coming up in a discussion, it has more to do with some latent issues towards the opposite gender in the individual argument issuer.
There's nothing stopping a woman from going through the same steps a man has to go through in order to take up DJing and producing besides their own desire to do so vs do something else. Since the balance is tipped, however, a woman vs a man being up there rocking it out just as hard is more noticeable and a curiosity, and the reaction seems to be a natural and gender-less one. (I think it's worth noting that when there's a woman act up there, since they are currently the minority act in terms of gender, women are extra supportive, and you never see men extra unsupportive of a woman act, either... so yeah I don't really see the whole patriarchy thing at all.)
I NEVER see women in general discriminated against at trance events, for sure... if anything, people are talking about how they wish there were MORE, lol.
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mk47
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Posted : Sep 4, 2010 23:30
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meh , thats only coz u dint get beat up by your psycho boyfriend at a festival , bigots , the lot of yu 
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moki
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Posted : Sep 4, 2010 23:42
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i was not talking about producing dears but about a vision and spreading this vision or a psychedelic concept into the world. i just assume the thesis that females dont always resonate with the visions of a culture or a subculture that was mostly created by male minds.
but okey may be my own experience was just another case for the statistics of trance proving that there has always been lots of wind and mars energy against my visions. i dont wanna share them and be a part of it any more. last mission is to create matriarchal concept of trancing like the one presented here but a contrary so that there is more balance. much love for the next decade of trancing with your hopes as you wish them to happen
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Posted : Sep 5, 2010 00:08
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Females? Hell yeah! Have you kats forgotten about Gil's attendant, Arianna? The best 2 hours of the complete party, the one who makes and breaks gil, the female super set who paves the path in leading Gil as a drummer, Music writer and as a dj. Without her, Gil is empty. His partner although baba's or divine products aren't suppose to have one but Gil does
Baba's normally have an assist however Gil breaks the rules per spiritual practice, he never talks about her too much during his talks, not so important since women are lesser than men in Gil World.
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willsanquil
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Posted : Sep 5, 2010 08:14
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On 2010-09-04 23:42, Moki.Time.Wave.Zero wrote:
i was not talking about producing dears but about a vision and spreading this vision or a psychedelic concept into the world. i just assume the thesis that females dont always resonate with the visions of a culture or a subculture that was mostly created by male minds.
but okey may be my own experience was just another case for the statistics of trance proving that there has always been lots of wind and mars energy against my visions. i dont wanna share them and be a part of it any more. last mission is to create matriarchal concept of trancing like the one presented here but a contrary so that there is more balance. much love for the next decade of trancing with your hopes as you wish them to happen
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I truly think you may have been scarred by or unduly tempered by your experience with the Gil party or something :\
I have many female friends who are just as absorbed in and passionate about the psy scene as myself - organizers, deco people, performers, trancers, a couple DJs...I responded to a thread on another trance forum regarding collaboration and much to my delight, it was a female!
Truly - I have never ever *ever* heard anyone complain about patriarchy in the psy scene - and I've heard just about everything besides that at a psy party at some point in time 
Don't let shitty parties get you down!
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Maine Coon
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Posted : Sep 5, 2010 13:12
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Tina, I’ll remind you that an evil cult is a church across the street from yours. And “too much money” is just a bit more of what you’re making. Likewise, I suspect your talk of patriarchy has to do more with your own attitude toward males than with any global penis conspiracy.
BTW, many male psy-heads also leave the dance floor to commune with the stars and the forest. At least that’s what I read here.
As for salvation through matriarchy, I believe any –archy (and any –cracy built on it) is about oppression and exploitation. Of course, none of that bad stuff would ever happen if the right people were in charge, right? Oh, how many times has the world heard this lame line!
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moki
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Posted : Sep 5, 2010 16:46
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yes, subject admits herself guilty. )))
indeed the patriarchy is in my own head. according to the law of attraction, i would have never ever attracted all these things in my life, if it wasnt. i do expect certain basis of human relationships which includes that it is not my job to protect myself from violence and i do expect certain mechanisms in society which claim violence on women for wrong. and if there is no patriarchy but du-archy, then i expect that at least i have the right to speak free on my visions. actually even in a patriarchy i should be allowed to. i must say i am thankful to isratrance a lot because here at least i can post a vision or two, even if this was not easy earlier but it is ok. in other places my vision is truely forbidden.
not salvation through matriarchal concepts, my friend. salvation happens only in our own heads . no one comes to do the job for us.
it is just the only solution i see from my own perspective, because i see no other future for my own projects, other than the possibility to play the rules of a matriarchal society.and indeed, since i realise i will never have what i need at the trance parties, i attract almost 90 percent females in my life. resonance you know. in any other case in my life my visions have been banned, deleted ( like the website from the first post in this topic) , claimed wrong and whatever it is. but anyway, still, it might me my personal street that trance is so male dense. ))). now we can continue with the topic itself my dears.
as far as the money, i never belonged to the people who saw this as a problem. because it is show business to some extent. btw most people that i work for would laugh on 10000 dollar per week. just keep it clear what it is.
p.s. my answer to the question about the difference between the devotion was ansered in the first two paragraphs, not after that.
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dreadieg
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Posted : Sep 6, 2010 07:26
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gah.
you people make my head itch. goa gil is good at what he does. and that's why you all book him for your shows and your friends go to see him.
certainly if any of us hangs around and self promotes as much as him, we can be legends to. what we do to be cool is as easy as mixing 2 4 beats together.
ya'll should really chill about whether or not he's worth a damn or godlike or what, and really just do your own thing.
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