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Vibrasphere Returns...maybe?
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sidra
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Posted : Jan 24, 2013 04:08:23
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Okay, so recently here in the local Toronto scene, there has been a promoter that has been bringing in some really huge names that don't usually make there way over to this part of the world. The problem is that this promoter doesn't really seem to be doing it for the love of the music/scene. He is throwingnparties with BIG names, most recently it was The Delta, before that it was U-reckon(for the third time in 8 months, tetrameth, etc, but there is never any effort ever put into any of these partie. No deco, no vibe, just a big name and a shitty basement bar. The guy says that he pays tons of money for these artists so there is no money for anything else, but then we ask the artists themselves, and they are getting paid less than half of what he tells people. He also does things like advertise The Delta and X-Dream for the same party, says that they will be doing a mixed Delta/x-dream set, but then when the artist shows up, its only the delta(not complaining, love me some delta) and the artist looks bad because the promoter isn't doing his job right. Another instance is logic bomb being advertised for weeks and weeks, and then on the morning of the party, oh sorry, logic bomb is not coming, instead it's ocelot=. I love ocelot too, but I was really looking forward to logic bomb.
Anyways, the guy now has three parties planned for the next couple months, perfect stranger, atmos, and when I got home tonight I was spammed(because this guy facebook spams more than everyone else COMBINED) with a vibrasphere party...happening before the other two parties...
I thought Vibrasphere had retired? Has something changed? is Rickard still doing it? Or is this guy trying to pull another fast one on us honest trance folk.
 
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goaren
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Posted : Jan 24, 2013 13:06
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richard has played in israel twice in the past couple of months, plus hes also playing in sun festival - so atleast for the sake of playing, hes back 
btw - my little brother moved to canada and has been going to those parties you've mentioned and at least according to him they are tons of fun but yea this promoter disease is something we've all been hurt from in the past, i think you should hope his line continues so hell be able to invest a lil more in it - it all depends on the size of the community imo (if not him you'll soon to have more options) |
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e-scape
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Posted : Jan 24, 2013 13:17
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Vibrasphere is in my mind the best prog artist of all time,pure swedish quality.Such a shame I never had an opportunity see them 'live'...so hope they return,this scene needs heroes
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randulon
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Posted : Jan 24, 2013 16:40
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"Okay, so recently here in the local Toronto scene, there has been a promoter that has been bringing in some really huge names that don't usually make there way over to this part of the world. The problem is that this promoter doesn't really seem to be doing it for the love of the music/scene."
So what do you suppose his motive might be for throwing such parties?
To make money? Whatever...
If you wanted to make some money from putting on parties I think you would probably need to be looking at different genres than psy-trance...don't you?
And besides has anyone who is not into psy-trance heard of The Delta or Vibrasphere or anyone else for that matter? At a push I would say some non-psy heads know who IM or Juno Reactor are but that is probably it...
I think you are being a little harsh in your criticism...at least he is trying to put on a party, maybe with experience they'll get better...
As for Logic Bomb cancelling last minute...that sort of thing happens all the time...
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Nomad Moon
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Posted : Jan 25, 2013 01:01
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Rickard is comimg to Portugal playing an old school Vibrasphere set next summer
Tudo que é melhor e mais superior em mim saúda tudo que é melhor e mais alto em si |
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BookFace
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Posted : Jan 25, 2013 03:32
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Just go and listen to the music have a good time and make your own vibe. If you want to keep it real then you should do it always for the music!. Even if there is no deco , the venue is crappy, and the worst thing of all...a promoter trying to cover his costs .. oooo!!( you only cover your costs in these type of parties with 200 people tops) . And honestly why should he be telling anybody what he pays or doesn't pay the artists. I would lie to you too about my numbers its nobody's business.Its still a business.
Toronto sucks for venues in this genre of music. Be grateful you get to see these artists. I reallly dont understand what you were trying to achieve with the first part of your thread. Its not even in the North American section. But I can tell you that Vibrasphere is playing these special sets again.
How about that! they publicize their last tour ever world wide and make a killing in bookings. Two years later , they are back and make another killing with a special Retro set....Doesn't your spidey senses of dubious actions pick that one up |
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sidra
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Posted : Jan 25, 2013 04:32
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hah, I like how I am suddenly getting criticism because I don't think throwing a psytrance party purely involves bringing in a big name.
I have most definitely gone and enjoyed some of the artists at these parties. I know that parties aren't cheap. I too have spent small fortunes on promoting. I know the costs, especially in toronto, but it was because I was actually trying to host a proper environment to host the artists that I worked with. We can all agree that the music is the most essential aspect of the experience. But psytrance parties are what they are. In a way, by being a part of it, you are committing to the ideals of the artistic movement. The culture has evolved to be what it is because it is trying to do something different from what the regular bar/club scene already does.
When I got into going to the parties, a big part of why I was drawn into it was the fact that there were people who were so committed to the artistic/psychedelic scene, that they strove to make the entire experience be psychedelic. The music and the parties are inherently tied. If you want the magic, you need to pay attention to detail.
Why should I just be satisfied with how it is. There are promotion groups with a much more experience and professionalism in the area who getting yet another slash in their attendance because they can't afford to bring in the big acts as often.
The dude I originally spoke of is having at least 200 people show up and charging 30 a ticket. 1000 to the artist, another 2000 for other expenses, he is doing more than just covering costs at this point.
Whatever, who cares, lets just snort another line of K.
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BookFace
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Posted : Jan 25, 2013 04:43
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Why do i bother?
Any ways,,,, apparently people who answer you and give their point of view that does not agree with yours is "attacking" you and just cares about snorting K. I should really just end the conversation there but I was just trying to see where you are coming from.
You dont remember how the first Shakti collective partys were do you? They brought Vibrasphere to play in the fucking polish comunity centre bar in toronto. very crappy venue! and no Deco! with drunken old polish construction workers but we still rocked it. And dont worry there is enough cake for every one , |
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sidra
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Posted : Jan 25, 2013 05:01
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I am not talking about the actual venues that the parties happen in, you can take some pretty shitty venues and still do something interesting with it. I do remember those shakti parties, and I know that they still tried to do something special with the resources they had.
I don't know where you get the "attacking" you have in quotation marks there, and I ask the same question to you, am I not allowed to reply to what has been said?
Also, I am not accusing YOU of being a ketamine user.
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BookFace
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Posted : Jan 25, 2013 05:13
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Your numbers are incorrect. He sells early bird tickets at 20 then 25. And maybe 1000 for the artist as pay, but their flight ticket is more than that. Plus he rents the sound system with sound man. And he has to probably give money to the venue because most of the crowd is to broke to buy drinks. And out of those 200 at least 20 or more people are friends and guests. But maybe he is making a grand so what ? you want to tell people not to go his partys because his intentions are not holy, but then you come out and say how they are taking the action away from other promoters( your friends)
And Im not his friend never met him or gone to his partys. |
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BookFace
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Posted : Jan 25, 2013 05:17
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On 2013-01-25 05:01, sidra wrote:
I don't know where you get the "attacking" you have in quotation marks there, and I ask the same question to you, am I not allowed to reply to what has been said?
Also, I am not accusing YOU of being a ketamine user.
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OK maybe I overshot that one |
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sidra
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Posted : Jan 25, 2013 05:40
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I am not here to argue whether he is making money. I know it was brought up earlier in the conversation, a conversation that was convoluted from the very beginning, I will admit. I didn't know whether it was a good idea to drop the name of the scene in the post. And I never really thought that it would, or will have any true affect on the guy's parties. In no way am I telling people not to go to his events. Obviously people are going to his parties and having a good time. I have had fun at them, there were some great sets played at them, and I spent good time with friends. It's hard to not have a good time. Ultimately, I am more speaking about the drift into mediocrity that this brings to the scene. For sure there are some great events happening in Toronto, but many of them are seriously under attended. This guy has a great opportunity to work with some of those groups, but continues on this path of bare bones events with seemingly little respect for other collectives, but as I do not know him personally, I should probably stop making any judgments on his motivations or intents here.
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Basilisk
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Posted : Jan 25, 2013 06:11
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Shitty promoters and their apologists are standard fare in the psytrance scene of today. I've also seen this promoter spamming the hell out of Facebook and it totally perplexes me. Never heard of anyone going to these events more than once just to confirm that the events are indeed lacklustre. Who cares if some big name is pressing play if there is no energy at the event, no effort shown beyond getting a headliner on the bill? (And even with effort things can go wrong... here I am thinking of a certain Ghreg On Earth show in Toronto.)
Like Sidra, I also won't pretend to know what this promoter's motivations are. I never went to his events and don't know him personally. But this sort of thing is part of a pattern in Canada: psytrance fans from other parts of the world move here and throw events to show us locals how it's done. That would be fine except that they tend to fall back on emphasizing big names on the bill instead of taking care to create a good environment for their patrons. These promoters do little to establish their reputation by disregarding the quality of the sound and deco. A headliner is no substitute for getting the basics right.
Besides, the economics are much more favourable if you get the basics right, develop a following, and only then start laying out money for the big names. It isn't a paradox; you can have big names and pay for awesome deco, good sound, and a comfortable venue. Promoters have to realize that you don't build a following by booking big names and disregarding the rest. Not in Canada, at least.
Before the knives come out... I keep switching from generalities to specifics in this post so let me restate something: I have not been to this promoter's events. Looks like they are making an effort to bring in good sound... moreover, after looking at some photos the events don't seem so badly attended. Still, what more can you do except laugh at the effort invested into the deco for The Delta: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10200402576406649&set=a.10200402492924562.2206486.1222922651&type=3&src=https%3A%2F%2Fsphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net%2Fhphotos-snc6%2F704424_10200402576406649_566560902_o.jpg&smallsrc=https%3A%2F%2Fsphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net%2Fhphotos-snc7%2F580500_10200402576406649_566560902_n.jpg&size=2048%2C1366
P.S. Nick, you're getting to be as awesome as I am at not being booked anywhere  |
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goaren
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Posted : Jan 25, 2013 13:47
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funny its my brother's album
sidra/basil - you both are making relevant points here... why not take it with the promoter? |
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Basilisk
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Posted : Jan 25, 2013 14:54
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Good question. My answer: I have advocated for higher quality standards in the psytrance scene in many different ways but haven't always experienced an appreciable return on my investment of time and energy. For example, I have advocated for more honesty in promotion (e.g. don't list three acts when you are bringing only one person), more of a live element in "live" performances (with particular emphasis on naming and shaming fake live acts who do nothing whatsoever), less pre-planning in DJ sets, longer sets at parties, more varied line-ups (not just a cavalcade of inflexible "live acts"), better business practices behind the scenes (particularly at the label and distributor level), increased adoption of lossless audio formats, an alternative to commercial distribution, and so on. Several of these campaigns have done well. Many others have just created a lot of bad blood and resentment, particularly in my old local scene. Since I grow and change and learn I now try to focus on the things that provide a return while avoiding the things that mostly leave me feeling frustrated and disappointed. Unfortunately DJing and parties fall into that latter category so I have curtailed both. While I may occasionally bang out an off-the-cuff response to a thread like this for old time's sake (or post something incendiary on the dreaded Facebook) I seldom really feel like doing much about it mostly because I know better by now.
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