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Unreleased stuff is of no importance.

___Auspexx
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Posted : May 1, 2001 12:14:17
Ever thought about the idea that if it's good, it's released? Today the artists wanna release their music and get money for it, so the best tracks get released, and if you have an unreleased track it's either:
1. Too new and nobody bought it yet (doubtfuly...)
2. It sucks.

Think about it - how many trance albums/compilations are sold throughout the world? the figures go around 2000-3000 for a good CD, and the audience is not as skilled as we in identifing tracks. Believe me, you can play a whole set of released music, and the only asshole comming to you at the end of the set complaining is a DJ. We're the only ones who note/care/identify the music. Most people (maybe) recognize 1-2 tracks, so have no fear - for the audience most of your music is unreleased.

Go in peace
___ChillCrew
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Posted : May 1, 2001 12:51:50
somthing really serious will have to happen for an unreleased track to come out. say a dj dies.. only than will those tracks will ever see daylight in a record or compilation of some sort. it worked great for curt cobain and jimi hendrix (think about it.. hendrix had only 3 official records.. and yet he has about 20 released albums...) :-)
___kaz
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Posted : May 6, 2001 09:26:15
Well, the DJ has to have music. That's the base of all of the party, the music.

And good music is a combination of tracks people know, tracks people would like to hear, and unreleased tracks.

The fact is, that the first two are much easier to get, and are a bit safer to play - since you can't know how an unreleased track might go through.

BUT, it's not that simple. There's reading the party and how it's going (even though I may not be a DJ Zoo-B fan, he's great at that bit).

And then there's the technical part. That's mixing the tracks properly, and beatmixing different tracks. Unfortunately, most psytrance DJs are terrible at the second if they even bother.

Maybe we should look at the skill in which DJs from other styles do it... As much as I hate to admit it - psytrance DJs have a lot to learn from Sasha on this point.

Mixing different tracks together enables SOOO much more flexibility to the skilled DJ - not only concentrating on good tracks, but also making the best out of the ones he has, and giving a different energy to tracks we all know. Much more control over what he wants people to hear.

Unfortunately, I haven't seen a psytrance DJ who uses this agressively and properly.... Like in the way it's been in the House/Clubtrance/DnB world.

The fact is that DJs can work with more than one or two audio streams at a time is alien to most. Good beatmixing DJs are hard to find and too long in between.

What I'm saying, is that the music/ideology and the beatmixing/technical sides are totally seperate, but equally important, parts of the DJs work.

Since the psytrance scene has always been about the music, and will always be about it, the first part is much more developed.

Peace
___david_kebab
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Posted : May 7, 2001 19:17:00
hey asaf
trance people don`t like beatmix no use telling them how good or bad it is cuz they don`t care.

u r waisting vital energies.

as i see it all kinds of music r differ in the mixing style
shortmix long mix and whatever maybe trance people think there`s no need for mix at all:)
too bad.
___Grannie
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Posted : May 7, 2001 23:36:18
Hey Grill Master

I have something on my mind... Now don't take me personal cuz u know I like your guts ;-)

It seems to me after I followed your posts and your points of view that Psy Trance isn't your thing at all. You like totally different styles of electro and your connection to trance is from kinda deductive processes ( your brain ) and not your gutz. When u r into something, u like it a lot it is from the gutz. I wonder if it is like I described what makes u write things which are totally correct about other genres that u like and try to connect that with Psy Trance?

PS that was a general question not connected altogether with mixin' issue
___shahar
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Posted : May 8, 2001 00:27:57
I think Grannie might have a point there (ahh, the old and wise)- but for that it is interesting for me to read your posts.
After much discussion I think I can say that real psychedelic trance is usually not good for long beatmatching, it's just too full of stuff for that.
Some minimalistic psy trance and tech-trance is good for that.
___david_kebab
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Posted : May 8, 2001 03:11:43
ok,  this answer will be long but there`s no butts about it
first of all in the original answer i just wanted to explain to that fellow that with getting mixing into the trance world is problematic.
as i see it i think it can be done (even long mixes -and yes even on the most fullon psytrance-you can ask mascallita she did heared me doing it)
but philosophiclly its very difficult to be done hence beatmix doesn`t that does not exist in the trance (even more psy-trance) vocabulary.
so when people from other discourses try to enter with their own stuff there is no realcommunication. its like if a non religion guy will argue with a religion guy about god.
in that case both of them will use another discoures and hence will not be able to REALLY communicate.
thats why i feel the argue about mixes and beatmixes in psy is irrelavant.
but after i have been in alot of partys i can say this:
alot of dj`s have heard were really bad i am not saying beatmix but i am saying touch and feel.
being a dj is not like changing music -for that i can use my changer in car.-in that case alot of djs i have heared have so bad that i was ashamed for them.
no i am a dj too i had my chances to play stuff for a couple of years but i only NOW starting to spin in club hence i wanted my technic to be good.
i only wish other djs would act like moi.

NOW you might say psytrance is not my music and thats true but in a weired way me and psy got connected and there`s nothing to do about it
there r some stuff (psy stuff i mean) that i like
like BLT (you should check his album grannie) sven vath and even some astral (mahadiva!!).
i am allways happpy to be bring my own point of view which is unique in this forum has i know alot about psytrance but i see it in another way.





___Auspexx
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Posted : May 8, 2001 09:14:17
OK, now's my turn:
Boris, we've been through that before; Beatmixing is fine, as long as you know how 2 do it and know WHEN to do it. I've heard yo so many times over-mix a track, which means that you are so anxious to beatmix a long one, that you take the whole point from both tracks!
Psy-Trance is not Monotrax music, nor it is Techno or House. Each track has a story, and by interrupting the story at 2:30 minutes to the end you usualy miss the whole POENTA.

There's no point of beatmixing just for the purpose of beatmixing. many traxx demand to be played from the begining, where their whole point reside, and in some traxx you MUST beatmix, because the end is horrible. This is where the DJ steps in, to know what to do with each track.
Playing 3 hours beatmixed set is hard even for the most exerianced trancer, so the DJ (as a storyteller) must know where to pause, where to break, and how to build the tenssion and suspense of his musical story.

Nevertheless, I also believe that guys who play with MDs & DATs (or even some who use CDs & Vinils) are only musical editors, with no ability to build their own true sets (Excluding Mr.Avi Nini, which played an unbelieveble set from MDs - you should have heard that one!). A DJ is someone who is a DISK JOKEY, which means that he WORKS the disks.

One final word - Enjoy yourself, don't take this thing too hard, we're all in this for fun after all.

Bom
___shahar
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Posted : May 8, 2001 10:11:41
Well said, Tal. Especially the last sentence.
___Kinetichonda
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Posted : May 8, 2001 18:48:03
Hey Y'all.
well it's me, The beatmix champion again.
Well auspexx I appreciate what you said and I totally disagree. You are talking about Poentas in trax, I hear and know those poentas and completly disregard them. I don't care what did the creator of the track had in mind, what he wanted to say. I have my oun interpretation to his story. and this interpretation is what a DJ set is all about. I don't come to a party to listen to some Ticon trax with some Noma trax with some Infected trax. I come to hear a DJ give me his story, His version of what the artists wanted to say, and I don't really care if I missed his poenta at the end of the track, I thought his poenta was cheesy, or silly or didn;t fit my mood. for instance, I'm in a digging mood, there is this track that is great for digging for 4 minutes then it opens up with a very cheesy poenta, I get rid of this poenta. most of the people don't know that track and think that I played it right. some know, and think it's a remix, it could be better then the original or worse, but it's What I. THE DJ, think about this track. overmixing for you is REmixing for me!!!
get my point??

And now it's time for the comercial break.
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___Auspexx
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Posted : May 8, 2001 19:03:34
The point was my friend, that you have a mind - use it. Sometimes its good to beatmix at 2.30 minutes to the end and sometimes a good downmix is in place.

I'm going home.
___yuli
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Posted : May 8, 2001 20:01:14
Boris u lack FLEXIBILITY my friend.

Life is not black & white it's mostly different shades of grey and if u want to get rid of all the poentas and all the ideas I have an excellent idea for u -

Sit home a little bit, write some music with no ideas and mix it to death ;-)

I totally agree that some trax should b cut in the start and some should b cut in the end and some are just right to play em from start to end AND THAT IS WHAT U BORIS DON"T UNDERSTAND and I think it works wrong for u - DJ can't be so STIFF

Ah.. it is a waste of time with u at least u have no unreleased BLT's to kill
___yuli
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Posted : May 8, 2001 20:03:24
BTW one more thing

Auspexx - hats off for you
___david_kebab
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Posted : May 8, 2001 20:35:44
dudez whats going on here is like in bikoret ha-sifrut.
music is an art just like sifrut -well yes.
who is more important the parshan who reads the story or the guy who wrote the story???

think about it
and give me an answer.
i`ll post my answer afterwords.
___Kinetichonda
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Posted : May 8, 2001 21:21:29
Yuli dear, Again you miss my entire point.
It's not that I like boring music (well I do sometimes, at least boring by trance standarts) but I think that I am giving in my sets new interpretations to the tracks. I am flexible, allthough here I am taking a staunch point since most people here are so in favour of "Respecting the Tracks" which is total nonscence.
As a DJ (Preforming Artist) I come to give MY version of what You (The composer) has written. Kapish? and I think that if as a DJ you do not have your oun interpretation That is DIFERENT from the composers original intent then there should be no reason why you should call yourself a DJ. call yourself a jukebox instead.
So i suggest that now we have three clases whithin the party preformers. the Artist, (Live PA or whatever) The DJ and The JB (or Juke Box) not a real DJ but he who plays tracks from other people without any intent of his own!!!
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