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Mau (Trippy)
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Posted : Jun 26, 2002 18:01
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The way things are going here in Brazil really worries me. People are always saying that they are "underground", that they are against all the "comercial shit"... but they just don´t support the scene.
People want live acts, top international DJs, they say that the organizers are only doing this for money... but what money? Most of the organizers are losing money, not earning.
The most common thing in internet mailing lists and forums dedicated to trance in Brazil are complaints about parties, but when it comes to helping, paying the entrance fee, buying the artist´s work, nobody wants to do their part. There´s a bunch of 18 years old kids that want to be VIP everywhere they go, and they don´t want you to promote your party for those who will pay for it (if you do that, then you are "comercial"). What fucking underground is that? Do organizers have the obligation to lose money for the so-called "party freaks" to have fun?
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rastapsi
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Posted : Jun 26, 2002 18:07
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well, what u said is right and what the rest says about trance is right too.
but .. i think that is happening too many big festivals, is good, but if u don t go "vip", u don t go at all.
trance is popular now.. averybody is just thinking about what is good for them, that s the problem
people are loosing time to discuss to each other or trying to prove who are best..
 the thing is... nothing is too serious to be taken too serious ehehe |
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Luiz Paulo
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Posted : Jun 26, 2002 18:18
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That's just the way it works...
The way I see it, the brazilian scene is going through a purging process...after an imense growth spurt, ppl are starting to realize that things fall from the sky.
I believe many of the so-called "freaks" just believe everything should be free, that organizers are money-loving bastards who are only interested in making a profit. Thing is, most of them are NOT making a profit to keep things running, exactly because all of the freaks want free entrance, free drugs, free music, free everything....
Who are we kidding? The scene has to survive...The only way it will do so is if money makes the world go round. Imo the only party organizers who are getting their money-worth are Freak*a*delic and Psychogarden. All the others are either too commercial, too incompetent, or too greedy to get a return and keep their parties alive.
My call is for ppl to think harder and harder what party are they going to....better selection makes for better parties, less problems.
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KroniK
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Posted : Jun 26, 2002 18:39
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THE UndeRgrOund is OvEr, Mau!
Forget about it man! It's nice to say that I'm a freak, that I go to basements or very hidden places to listen to psychedelic trance. Since the party is well organized, good sound-system, security, cleaning and fulfil everything the organizers was promissing, to hell labels like "Mainstream"or "Underground".
I'm not going to parties anymore, just to see a Dj or live that is unmissable. I think that the enchantment is over, I'm not being pessimist, but there are few that is not by a spell effect, and really like and understand the sound...Everybody says: "Wow psychedelia"with the same old fluor clothes and the same old Sai Baba smell and the same old fake ecstasy feeling!
I love festivals, I'm still going to festival...it's an experience , you know people, you know different places...I
Our weekend parties are just the samething ...and now every party is a PVT, ahahaha!!! Sorry about my flankly speech but I'm just tired of alienation and stagnation.
Eh noixxx!!!!
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Jean-Louis
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Posted : Jun 26, 2002 19:55
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I have to disagree with some points here. I don't think the scene has had such a big growth, and that can be conformed by the number of people who are attending to parties. Check out Spectral Gate for example: no more than 600, on that same weekend there was another party with no more than 700...It's just about the same crowd who attended to Psychodelic Circus with Magus one year ago, or to Tribe with Talamasca this year, the "scene" is just mainteining it's size.
About underground, in my opinion, psytrance cannot by it's own definition be underground. Psytrance needs space, air, nature, needs beautifull landscapes, needs wonderfull deco, well psytrance needs attention to every single detail, so it can be able to realy take someone in a trip, and that attention requires lots of time and money.
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Luiz Paulo
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Posted : Jun 26, 2002 20:07
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Hey JL, so by your own definition, psy trance must be underground, cause after all there are about 1500 ppl really into it...if that's not underground, I dont know what is.
And anyway, underground is not a literal word, you don't have to be inside the ground
one last point: there was no attention to every single detail and even less money (time maybe) involved in Goa, and that is what psy trance WAS all about (i hear a lot of ppl complaining about the loss of the true spirit...well maybe the true spirit is an underground one).
Boom!
back to my studies....
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Jean-Louis
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Posted : Jun 26, 2002 21:16
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On 2002-06-26 20:07, Luiz Paulo wrote:
Hey JL, so by your own definition, psy trance must be underground, cause after all there are about 1500 ppl really into it...if that's not underground, I dont know what is.
And anyway, underground is not a literal word, you don't have to be inside the ground
one last point: there was no attention to every single detail and even less money (time maybe) involved in Goa, and that is what psy trance WAS all about (i hear a lot of ppl complaining about the loss of the true spirit...well maybe the true spirit is an underground one).
Boom!
back to my studies....
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You know a night club called "Disco" in SP? Or another one called "Lizard"? No more than 3000 have ever been to those places, that's what their mailing shows. And that's underground? I don't think so. I had figured by myself you really did not know what underground is.
Underground is not at all defined by the number of people, underground is a way of life!
In Goa there was no big money involved? Come on dude! Plane tickets from around the world to india? People spending months there doing nothing but going to parties, that requires a lot of money! Have you been there? If so, how much your parents payed for that trip! "The true spirit of Goa" blablabla...I don't think you have to know-how to talk about what is to produce a party. I can't believe that you realy think that every single party in Goa was a killer, like anywhere, there were the great ones and those that were just a big piece of crap! just like here in Brazil! Take Brazilians festival and Ypy Poty for instance!
Take a time in your studies, and look up on the internet the for "What is underground". Unlike most of your wise-ass answers, this is not the place you'll find it, you'll have to live it by yourself! 
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Aurum
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Posted : Jun 26, 2002 21:50
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On 2002-06-26 21:16, Jean-Louis wrote:
underground is a way of life!
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<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: Jean-Louis on 2002-06-26 21:18 ]</font>
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J-Lo: would plz describe me how is this way of life? i'm curious!
Tks.
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KroniK
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Posted : Jun 26, 2002 22:18
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AHAAHAHAAHA!!!!
I don't believe in God, I believe in the underground!!!
Speak serious man!!! FREAK!
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Jean-Louis
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Posted : Jun 26, 2002 22:18
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Do I have to quote myself?
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On 2002-06-26 21:16, Jean-Louis wrote:
you'll have to live it by yourself!
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Jean-Louis
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Posted : Jun 26, 2002 22:21
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On 2002-06-26 22:18, KroniK wrote:
AHAAHAHAAHA!!!!
I don't believe in God, I believe in the underground!!!
Speak serious man!!! FREAK!
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I'm serious!
And thanks for the "Freak" 
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Luiz Paulo
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Posted : Jun 26, 2002 22:29
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Yes I do know. I’ve actually been there, believe it or not, long time ago when it opened.
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Dude, by definition there’s underground vs. mainstream. Therefore small number of ppl involved vs. big number of ppl involved. The fact that only 3000 ppl have been to Disco says a lot about its selectiveness and how expensive it is, because it still is a mainstream place.
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I haven’t been to Goa, but I have been to Thailand, which is quite near, pretty much same atmosphere (even more this days, after Goa was ruined). And I did pay with my own money, so I do know how much it costs dude, don’t gimme that kind of rich-boy crap ok?
And sorry to say, but Goa was not about money at all. Go ask around and hear and read about Raja and the other folks who were part of that, how they lived their lives there, how it was not about money at all. Try and make some friends here in the forum, maybe u’ll hear some nice stories.
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I doesn’t have anything to do with the discussion at hand, but FYI I know what is to produce a party, because I actually was involved in some (non psy trance ones, but it’s pretty much the same work, plus they were way bigger).
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Where did you read that I thought that about Goa? Thing is my friend: ask anyone who was there in 91-94 and they will you that was the time of their lives. It’s pretty obvious not every party was killer. Point is: does it matter?
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Well, I already took to much of time to answer this. Sorry if I attend a not-so-easy school, but that’s life dude. And plz don’t come talking about living the underground….
And, my own personal definition of underground: doing something from the heart, involving a small number of people who share the ideals and inspirations behind what one’s doing, and getting the results of that in order to carry the spirit on.
As one can see it pretty much applies to anything, but I believe it fits well. And it’s obvious the brazilian psy trance scene is far from underground these days.
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Aurum
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Posted : Jun 26, 2002 22:36
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On 2002-06-26 22:18, Jean-Louis wrote:
Do I have to quote myself?
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On 2002-06-26 21:16, Jean-Louis wrote:
you'll have to live it by yourself!
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Ok, i understood. Same thing for ANY kinda "lifestyles", of course you'll have to live it by yourself. So i insist, what is to live underground? Give me an answer now plz.
Tks in advance.
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Jean-Louis
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Posted : Jun 26, 2002 22:49
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Yes I do know. I’ve actually been there, believe it or not, long time ago when it opened.
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Not so hard to believe.
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I haven’t been to Goa, but I have been to Thailand, which is quite near, pretty much same atmosphere (even more this days, after Goa was ruined).
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Lot's of people say that here in Brazil we're experience the same atmosphere as the "old Goa days", do you believe that? I don't think so. And being quite near, hahaha, for sure that doesn't say much. In Uruguay we have the same atmosphere as in Brazil? Or in Alto Paraiso the same as São Paulo! For sure not!
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I actually was involved in some (non psy trance ones, but it’s pretty much the same work, plus they were way bigger).
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The same?????? There's NOTHING like Psytrance parties! I rest my case!
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Jean-Louis
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Posted : Jun 26, 2002 22:54
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Ok, i understood. Same thing for ANY kinda "lifestyles"
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That's your mistake pal, it doesn't work at all like any other lifestyle.
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