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orgytime
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Posted : Mar 16, 2012 10:38:39
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hi, i just got my uad2 duo + 500$ voucher.
at first i was quite euphoric when testing out the harrison eq until i realized it got over 1.2 db boost by only iserting it with no eq work. so i decided to do some blind tests with other eqs at a voice and synth sound (cubase studi eq, fabfilter pro q, harrison eq, cambridge eq, pultec eq and waves Q10).
maybe my tests did suck, but i didnt hear a huge difference... i wasnt even able to do hard notches with the cambridge like with the waves Q10 (which sounds awesome). and the cambridge is known as surgical tool with hardware sound?
i tested the precision multi comp and wasnt able to get close to waves c-4.
also the compressors like the 1167 or la-2a did not stun me.
so what is this UAD hype all about? is the difference so small that i only get this "warmth" if i use the EQs/comps on each channel of the mix and hear the sum mix?
so i have this 500$ voucher left, and dont want to spend it until i can say "I WANT THIS TOOL", like all the others in the reviews of the UAD homepage.
do you have any guidance or suggestions for getting more sensitive ears? did i do anything wrong? i use yamaha hs50m and focal solos in a treated room, and checked it out on both speakers. any particular EQ or compressor tests i can make?
maybe i just have to buy a hardware synth...
cheers
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woodster77
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Posted : Mar 16, 2012 20:58
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check out the struder
we use it for compression and eq profiling
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Nectarios
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Posted : Mar 16, 2012 23:15
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I have never used the UAD stuff, but I hear people whose opinion I trust and they say it rocks the best sounding plugs and versions of hardware, on the market, to date.
The only reason I don't buy in to it is because I get good enough results with the 3rd party plug in that are available to me and because better sound sources are more important to me.
As computers get faster, better processing plug ins will be made and there are some brilliant sounding 3rd party plugs available at the moment.
Peace out.
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PoM
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Posted : Mar 17, 2012 13:36
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not hype good plugs, but there is thousand of great plugs ,even free one. only point to go uad to me is you want to go legit.. and tbh i would not even buy uad with all the great native plugins and uad too much limited power and high price. |
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PoM
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Posted : Mar 17, 2012 13:59
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you have to know what you are after first...personally tought me years to understand the sound i was after and how to get closer but still not there yet ...as i have a very precise idea of the sound i like the most...but now i can get it 90% there with plugins, the tools used don't really matter anymore , it s more about technic but first you have to know what you are after precisely and how to get there.. then tools are just tools...except for the little extra that hardware comp eqs , saturation can give over plugin
what helped me is definlty using hardware...once you understand why a piece of hardware make stuff sounding better wihtout hassle, it s easier to recreate it in plugins land. for some guys with better hears it s not even needed, it s all about listening |
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klippel
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Posted : Mar 17, 2012 17:55
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calm down. uad plugs are the shit so far in the software world imo. there is native around as good as (sound toys, fabfilter maybe), but do not panic. uad is very and i mean very good.
but they are not "insert and have a ready made master mix" wonder boxes. learn how to use them and which one to use for what. the la2a is SO good for crisp leads and cutting basses. i use it day in day out.
as is the fairchild for percussion.. even on kicks as is the cambridge eq for surgical stuff and the emt verbs are the best plates i know, smooth as butter! and the modulation stuff from roland is very very spacey and wide and good.. the ssl channel strip is clean and punchy and so good sounding as well.. best high pass i know and beatufil compressor!
look for how to use and on what kind of material vids on youtube and the uad homepage. learn and enjoy 
it took me weeks to get to knwo each plug. take your time and you will see they each have their sweet spots! some more, some less
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orgytime
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Posted : Mar 19, 2012 09:33
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thanks for your answeres, i guess i was looking for a wonder tool
the card dont works well, the more plugs i load the more delayed gets the play/pause in cubase. i guess i have to sell it because i dont find help for this.
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monno
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Posted : Mar 19, 2012 17:06
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Ehm, so you conclude the card does not work well because playback/pause has a delay to it?
I am a bit baffled by that statement. It takes time to send data to and from your card. The more data the more time. This goes for all your peripherals but the UAd one is a hungry one for good reason. Now i have never had a problem with increasing latency (play/pause wise) regardless of the number of plugs i use. My general latency is 512 samples (despite the recommended 1024 buffer for dsp cards) and everything works to my expectations. What computer does your card run on and how else is it configured? As for wonder tools, well i certainly consider UAD to be wondertools, but expectations can be tricky as you now have found out. Nothing is a wondertool unless you know how and where to apply it. These plugs do not all sound good on everything and can be very source dependent (like the stuff it tries to emulate) but i sure would not like to mix without them.
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PoM
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Posted : Mar 19, 2012 18:03
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with low latency uad plugs can consume cpu and probably sometimes as much as a native plugin lol 
ua recomend 512 or 1024.
not long ago they started using oversampling in some of their plugins, but just at 192 probably cause of the lack of power ! some non linear process need way more to get on par with analog .
imo ua while offereing some good plugins their aim is too much about making money , they could offer way more powerfull card at that price .
using these card to free your cpu is not a good idea too,as a cpu that cost way less can run way more instance of a plugin that use similar ressource. |
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orgytime
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Posted : Mar 19, 2012 18:47
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@ monno, loading 3 plugs and getting a delay of 2 seconds would also piss you off 
i bought a uad2 duo card and im running my audiofire4 with 128 buffersize.
problem nearly solved, its just one plug in which causes this problem. the "precision multiband" in demo mode. every other plug i tried worked with no delay, even if a load alot of them.
buffersize or uad cofiguration like "extra buffering" does not affect this delay problem of the precision multiband, mabe its because of the demo mode? well better not risk my money for the try.
@PoM as always very deep heartfull info in your posts, thanks
cheers
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makus
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Posted : Mar 20, 2012 00:06
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i'm in love with their plugs. i use them on all of my tracks.
precision multiband, equalizer and maximizer. 1176 (all buttons mode  ), fairchild and la2a. pultec and cambridge - every project.
but u need time to find the music in them.
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PoM
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Posted : Mar 20, 2012 00:48
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if he already use native plugs on par i understand he is disapointed if he was expecting a lot but he would be disapointed even with the hardware imo , it s hard to know what you are after and to find it..unless you work in a pro studio and have access to lot of gears.
culture vulture sound magic to me and maybe not to you.. but my mix would be almost just as good without it.. tools are just tools to make the work easier |
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orgytime
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Posted : Mar 20, 2012 11:01
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yeah im sure youre right PoM, its sure the lacking of knowledge, ear-skill and existing other good native plugs which i already have in use.
my session yesterday was cool, i tried some stuff i really dig. the VOG and the Roland Dimension are really quality, one button killargh lol! im also really happy with the 1176/la2a on voice. to bad that the precision multiband dont works well because its so multifunctional.
what im missing is a single gate, a longer reverb time on the 140/250 plates and a ping pong delay.
anyone uses FATSO, and how do you manage the dsp load? 4 instances for the uad2 duo is a joke right?
i like that the 14 day demos resets, when buying a plug
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monno
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Posted : Mar 20, 2012 15:59
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My multiband does not exhibit this behaviour. It is either a linear phase or a minimum phase compressor, so that may have an influence though. It should not be exhibit a long gap though thats for sure. Tried getting a hold of their support? They have an excellent response time usually, so its worth asking them if thats just how the demo reacts.
And no the dsp load for some of the newer plugs is certainly not a joke! I can run 1 Massive Passive on my single dsp card. The only good thing is that since these plugs are already oversampled, the instance count will not change as you increase your host samplerate (by much anyway) I am not the only one wishing for more dsp (for much less money)
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orgytime
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Posted : Mar 20, 2012 18:21
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