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trance will save the world?

The Green Channel
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Posted : Nov 25, 2005 13:20
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On 2005-11-25 12:45, Kire-naj wrote:
btw. Green. EGO is a big part of nature. EGO is what drives us/animals to survive and evolve. EGO is a natural phenonomon. EGO is in us all, it's just important to use alittle commen sense and heart and not only EGO. But the more animal like we are, the more EGO we use. Humans are a race that tries to step away from EGO, though you can see corporation and govermental EGO all around you. offtopic?



The nature of our ego is a complex matter, I agree with you, that, it increases the rate of novelty, nevertheless, I dislike the phenomenon. I dislike like the way we have evolved, as you already know . I believe we should surpress our EGO, IMO, when one surpress ones EGO, the result is unconditional love. Although, your right, EGO helps us survive, since, it increases our selfishness , thus, it helps us survive. However, I couldn't care less whether our species survives! We're acting like cancer cells, contaminating the earth. I personally prefare unconditional love and personal sacrifice.
          "Love is a way of life"

(Gaia, Love, Nature, Shamanism (.2A.y.0a.hu.1a.sc.2a.), Terence McKenna)
The Green Channel
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Posted : Nov 25, 2005 13:32
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On 2005-11-25 13:05, 14-year old e-tard
the term survival of the fittest applies to humans too.



Here we go again . NO it DOESN'T!!! Social-darwinism (which BTW, has nothing to do, with Charles Darwins, origin of...) is regarded by most sociologists as being PURE nonsense. Similarily some historiesn also claim that only about 250.000 jews were killed during the second world war, a theory also regarded as nonesense by most historiens. We deviade from this behaviour everyday; helping the handicapped, for instance. The last people to implement this theory were the NAZIS.
          "Love is a way of life"

(Gaia, Love, Nature, Shamanism (.2A.y.0a.hu.1a.sc.2a.), Terence McKenna)
Pt.
IsraTrance Senior Member

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Posted : Nov 25, 2005 13:44
And I thought that a modern "Survival of the fittest" of humans lays within money and welth. Of cource there's survival of the fittest in us as in everything else in nature.

Natural selection and mutations who survive because they have a benifit, money is a big benefit in our world..


And we seem to be very in sync when it comes to the ego subject
shamanizer


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Posted : Nov 25, 2005 13:50
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On 2005-11-25 13:05, 14-year old e-tard wrote:
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On 2005-11-25 07:30, Gopendra wrote:
@14 year old e tard
if you dont get me serious why yo always argue with me and right posts for the subject topic I started?


Because its fun

Shamaniser, I am not trying to justify all the bad things that are happening to the poor around the globe. I do not like it, but the term survival of the fittest applies to humans too. Times have moved forward and for the most part of the world, life is f*cking rat race. There are goverments that rule their people in a bad way, probably the most, but who put those goverments there in the first place? Surely the goverments that are the stronger financial powers and have a big say about the enviroment are the ones that got elected from the people? You see when we have conversations about the world and how it should be a merry place, we appear to be very generous, but come the day where you or your children will have more and you will do everything that is in your power to have your way, even if that means that someone else's children, someone who is a stranger to you, will starve.
Animals hunt, kill and eat their prey, which is the last one to eat the leftovers? The weakest. Evolution means the more evolved organisms that adapt to their enviroment, survive and the ones that don't, die. It is a harsh way to look at things, especially if you are an animal that is civilised, but that is the way we got here in the first place.
Again, I am not saying everything around the world is the way it should be, we could have made things different, maybe for the best, maybe for worst, but we simply chose not to. Things are looking bad, but you never know what happens. No one (except Gopendra obviously) can predict the future. The only thing we can try and do, is to do our best and see what happens.




E-tard (sorry for calling you retard in the last post, I only now realised that its actually is e-tard), agree with you on most of your post, I assume you refer to survival instinct, which indeed promotes selfishness (ie. egoism, I wrote ego in the last post, I meant egoism, which is a different thing). This is easy to identify in animals, but the difference is that animals do not take more than they need while people take as much as they possibly can, this is called greed.
If we think the world based on your post, we actually justify actions and the damage done by corporations. They just simply are stronger than humans. This is a harsh simplification though , but if you really think what's going on in the world, its not that wrong assumption. i don't believe in conspiracy theories that point out to certain influential groups who would be behind all this, I simply believe that capitalism got out of hand and nowadays it is eligible to be greedy, corporations live their own life steered by greed and incentives that are offered to board of directors and management for good result, it is not relevant how this result is attained and what is the cost of it, only thing that is relevant is to get as good result as possible. Corporations have been generated to generate more wealth and they are very effective in doing so, but thats where it really ends, the rest doesn't really matter to them.
In my eyes human race is sawing its own legs off.
Also if you think about ecosystem on the globe, its a complex system where everything is linked together and we people have interfered with that too much. Everything effects everything, not directly though. I also feel sorry for all the animals that suffer because of our actions, they surely didn't choose it to be like this, we did it.
Respect.
Pt.
IsraTrance Senior Member

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Posted : Nov 25, 2005 13:59
Arnt you way to young to take E's "14-year old e-tard "?

---> offtopic
Acidhive
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Posted : Nov 25, 2005 14:46
Quote:

On 2005-11-25 13:05, 14-year old e-tard wrote:
Quote:

On 2005-11-25 07:30, Gopendra wrote:
@14 year old e tard
if you dont get me serious why yo always argue with me and right posts for the subject topic I started?


Because its fun

Shamaniser, I am not trying to justify all the bad things that are happening to the poor around the globe. I do not like it, but the term survival of the fittest applies to humans too. Times have moved forward and for the most part of the world, life is f*cking rat race. There are goverments that rule their people in a bad way, probably the most, but who put those goverments there in the first place? Surely the goverments that are the stronger financial powers and have a big say about the enviroment are the ones that got elected from the people? You see when we have conversations about the world and how it should be a merry place, we appear to be very generous, but come the day where you or your children will have more and you will do everything that is in your power to have your way, even if that means that someone else's children, someone who is a stranger to you, will starve.
Animals hunt, kill and eat their prey, which is the last one to eat the leftovers? The weakest. Evolution means the more evolved organisms that adapt to their enviroment, survive and the ones that don't, die. It is a harsh way to look at things, especially if you are an animal that is civilised, but that is the way we got here in the first place.
Again, I am not saying everything around the world is the way it should be, we could have made things different, maybe for the best, maybe for worst, but we simply chose not to. Things are looking bad, but you never know what happens. No one (except Gopendra obviously) can predict the future. The only thing we can try and do, is to do our best and see what happens.




Fuck!! Someone with sense... never thought I'd see to live the day. I'm with Pavel here too. Goddamn hippies           "Subconscious unravels at the point of death, and all time it has known erupts into a moment. As death extinguishes us, so we become it."

[Esoteric: Subconscious Dissolution Into The Continuum]
shamanizer


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Posted : Nov 25, 2005 15:24
Acidhive, with all respect, do you really think that all this is a result of evolution. Think of imaginative situation: someone stronger than you comes and punches you on the face and takes your money. Is it justified? Is it evolution? Maybe a bit far fetched again, but still a valid example.
Old phrase could work here: Kill a few, and you're a murderer, kill thousands, and you're a conqueror.
We, humans, are provided with brains and its our choice how to use them, now thats evolution.
Pavel
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Posted : Nov 25, 2005 15:38
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On 2005-11-25 15:24, shamanizer wrote:
Acidhive, with all respect, do you really think that all this is a result of evolution. Think of imaginative situation: someone stronger than you comes and punches you on the face and takes your money. Is it justified? Is it evolution? Maybe a bit far fetched again, but still a valid example.
Old phrase could work here: Kill a few, and you're a murderer, kill thousands, and you're a conqueror.
We, humans, are provided with brains and its our choice how to use them, now thats evolution.



Wars are the driving force behind science for many ages. Israel is the best example of it.
Our technological and military achievements are interlieved one in another. All the biggest inventions that came from here started as military projects. I don't support or think it's good, but that's the fact.
Or atleast, that's how i feel after serving in technological unit in the Israeli army.
Sorry for the
          Everyone in the world is doing something without me
Tryptamine


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Posted : Nov 25, 2005 15:48
Yhea Right Keep Dreaming.The world or should I say the people on it DOn't want saved.Most people want to keep being Irresponsible and Rude Self centered and arrogant.Most people won't even quite throwinh there trash on the freaking Ground...Every thing you see in the world you can also see in the trance scene only on a smaller scale........I used to think trance will save the world.But I was only dreaming about a clever Utopian Paradise ..Sorry to be so blunt Folks..
Tryptamine


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Posted : Nov 25, 2005 15:52
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On 2005-11-25 15:38, Pavel wrote:
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On 2005-11-25 15:24, shamanizer wrote:
Acidhive, with all respect, do you really think that all this is a result of evolution. Think of imaginative situation: someone stronger than you comes and punches you on the face and takes your money. Is it justified? Is it evolution? Maybe a bit far fetched again, but still a valid example.
Old phrase could work here: Kill a few, and you're a murderer, kill thousands, and you're a conqueror.
We, humans, are provided with brains and its our choice how to use them, now thats evolution.



Wars are the driving force behind science for many ages. Israel is the best example of it.
Our technological and military achievements are interlieved one in another. All the biggest inventions that came from here started as military projects. I don't support or think it's good, but that's the fact.
Or atleast, that's how i feel after serving in technological unit in the Israeli army.
Sorry for the


Well if My country and your country were not doing what they are doing the Middle east would not be a Very nice or a very Holy place.......Hey I just returned home from 3 months in Israel ,To San Francisco wowo Same Same ,But the people WOwo the Girls wow Bograshov and Disengof and The Dead Sea and Hamat gader and Gallilee Oh My Sweet Israel.what a place......Why have the people of the Holy Land Not treat the Holy Land Like it is Holy ? Lama Kaha MaMa,, La CaCa Hello Every one I miss you
Pt.
IsraTrance Senior Member

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Posted : Nov 25, 2005 15:52
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On 2005-11-25 15:24, shamanizer wrote:

Old phrase could work here: Kill a few, and you're a murderer, kill thousands, and you're a conqueror.



I heard (still the same point):

"The death of one is a tragedy.
But the death of millions is just a statistic!"


"Nothing suffocates you more than
the passing of everyday human events.
Isolation is the oxygen mask, you make
your children breath in to survive"


shamanizer


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Posted : Nov 25, 2005 15:55
Pavel, you're right about that, its really amazing how creative and innovative people are when it comes to killing each others. Maybe it tells something about human nature??
Truth is, that especially in the past, it was easier to gather wealth by taking it from someone else than produce it by yourself. Military is also a great way to control and govern people. (I've served in the army for 8 months). Don't get me wrong, I don't imagine that world would exist as it is now if there wouldn't be armies. I just want to raise ideas. The thing that annoys me is that nowadays wars are simply business, again, not in direct sense, but just check out where the income from the wars flows -> weapons industry -> check out the names who sit on boards of biggest weapons companies -> not a big secret or surprise. War is always in someones interest.
14-year old e-tard
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Posted : Nov 25, 2005 15:57
We can change things, we can go against our nature. A lot of people have sacrificed their lives for the lives of their loved ones...for the greater good. So step up to the slaughter house and take your kids with you and smile at the face of death and say, "PLUR brother"..."boom shankar"...etc.
I am going to say it again for the people that didn't understand me the first place: I do not like what is happening in the world right now. I wish no one would starve to death (so we could faster over-populate the world and finish our resources sooner. We'd all die, but at least no one would live, so it would all be fair and PLUR..anyway that is another subject).
Things are not loking good today, but if you asked people that lived through the 1914-1918 and 1939-1945 years, they'd probably tell you that things today are great! Its all relative.
So, again I am not losing hope, I (like to) think that somehow, someway we will prevail and when our beautiful mother earth cashes in her checks, we will be someplace else, spreading like insects, causing chaos, loving one another, hating one another and have trance parties in zero gravity.
          Me>You
andrejcid
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Posted : Nov 25, 2005 16:21
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Wars are the driving force behind science for many ages. Israel is the best example of it.
Our technological and military achievements are interlieved one in another. All the biggest inventions that came from here started as military projects. I don't support or think it's good, but that's the fact.
Or atleast, that's how i feel after serving in technological unit in the Israeli army.
Sorry for the




totally sorry

whether for military purposes or not, Israel has contributed ALOT in the field of weather modification (i.e. cloud seeding for precipitation enhancement etc.) and cloud physics. I dare to say its currently the leading country in that specific area of research. Even IF the initial objectives were related to military purposes,which i strongly doubt, the potential benefits of the so far achieved in weather modif are rather extraordinary.

my point is, no matter what the initial objectives & 'driving force' behind scientific findings are, the later potential outcomes and their use can be very beneficial in the dynamic world we live in. Science on its own does not do any harm, it only provides knowledge and understanding. the purposes of its use are often ambiguous tho...
          Why u little !!!
Sirius Taurus


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Posted : Nov 28, 2005 20:17
This is a messed up thread ,Because it would take so much more than Trance music and a Buch of freaks like me and you to influence any political Groups on this planet enought to change any thing ,except our selves and our comunity....Maybe thru other seeing something good and desireable in the trance scene others may want to change .But I think they would much rather come dance and play .
I feel its a shame we have become so technologicly advanced.But the technolgy is being used for War nd for Comercial Capitolist Gain...When it could be used to help Educate and bring the HUMAN race to a Better place of liveing on this planet or Near by Space exploration. So If we want to save the world we Gotta get money and war and seperatness out of the way first.Work oN the FaNATIC'S.Clean up the trash and Litter andPolution,And teach people how to treat each other No Matter what Color Sex or Age. We have to change our Mentality.And how the F%#K can you get every one every where to listen or Even Give a shit about Us and Our Clever Utopian Dream.. So Lets just party and Dance and Work on ourselevs andour little scene around the world and Lets Make what WE HAVE LAST Lets help our Scene to Eveolve and have a comon Conection that is stronger than the POLITICS of this world or My country (America)I Don't care if I make it to 155 years old I 'll still Come Dance.
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