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trance will save the world?

14-year old e-tard
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Posted : Nov 24, 2005 20:41
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On 2005-11-24 20:29, The Green Channel wrote:
First-off, what your saying now is, since, Ronaldinho and I both play football, we are comparable, that's not the case.


Come again?
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On 2005-11-24 20:29, The Green Channel wrote:
Natural-selection is a probalistic theory, not a deterministic theory. It contains a number of flaws, read for instance. http://www.rae.org/natsel.html

Thereby, i'm not trying to blow-up an existing edipus of evolution, i'm merely trying to state, that it's easy to understand how one hummingbird evolves from another, however, it's not easy to understand how people who used to hunt ants with sticks, suddently built cities like Paris, for example.



What can't you understand? It's called evolution. But I don't see a relevance with the subject in question.
Can you be more specific?
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Nobita
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Posted : Nov 24, 2005 21:12
Hmm I agree with the young e-tard (hehe) on this one. And all in all I think that we he is saying and what The Green Channel is saying is not all that different, basically we as a race are running towards destruction because of our animal nature. Here I tilt more in favour of 14-yo in that I find it is a natural process... a species becomes too dominant and self destructs itself. If we were to overcome our animal nature and stop this process than it is rather this outcome that would be "un-natural", transcending the basic rules of survival&mutliplication of the biological realm for something above that (perhaps this is the eschaton's nature). But the way things are going, we seem to be bound for good ol' extinction, and let the next sentient species fare better hehe.           Row row row your boats gently down the stream; merrily merrily merrily merrily life is but a dream.
The Green Channel
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Posted : Nov 24, 2005 21:13
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On 2005-11-24 20:41, 14-year old e-tard wrote:

Come again?





It's easy to understand.

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On 2005-11-24 20:41, 14-year old e-tard wrote:

Can you be more specific?



No , i'm saying that your case, is built soly on the natural-selection theory, which is a probabilistic theory (I think you know what that means )! Anyhow, you could be right and you could be wrong. I believe, that, natural-selection is a reasonable theory, it just seems to contain some problems, especially in regrards to human evolution. It's still a great mystery how the human brain size doubled in a very short amount of time. Things are not as simple as they appear.
          "Love is a way of life"

(Gaia, Love, Nature, Shamanism (.2A.y.0a.hu.1a.sc.2a.), Terence McKenna)
14-year old e-tard
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Posted : Nov 24, 2005 21:31
Ok.
You do accept evolution as an absolute, right? Replace natural selection with evolution in my posts.
Do you agree now?
No one said the process of evolution is simple. Scientists are trying to figure out exactly what happened and when. But only so little needs to change in a DNA sequence for things to change so much. Quoting the X-Men sample from Tranan's-Cluedo track "Mutation, it is the key to our evolution"           Me>You
The Green Channel
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Posted : Nov 24, 2005 21:40
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On 2005-11-24 21:31, 14-year old e-tard wrote:
Ok.
You do accept evolution as an absolute, right? Replace natural selection with evolution in my posts.
Do you agree now?



Yes!           "Love is a way of life"

(Gaia, Love, Nature, Shamanism (.2A.y.0a.hu.1a.sc.2a.), Terence McKenna)
Gopendragon
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Posted : Nov 25, 2005 07:30
As I mentioned at a previous post I wrote about all these egos we must get rid of them,why?
how is that related with the big crash and the role of trance?
We all have felt the unity and love between us in harmony with respect as we dancing in the same rythm at a festival, with that sweet feeling of ecstacy and joy that we are all one big worldwide happy family,and smile lost in psychedelia altogether gathering like brother and sisters...that special moment of feeling is a time were all of are egos are gone away back for a while and reach such an altered states of conciousnes were we are truly merged in one.
No ego makes us different between each other all the same united with nature and universe in ballance and became one.
Thats why Goa Gill says"towards to the one"
For those who believe in reincarnation ,we have to consider that the reason we still live another one life traped in the cycle of born and reborn again n again,is that we couldnt escape from unconcious mind traps ,our own egos,wich maken us seperate our microcosm with nature of macrocosm,and force us to reborn again,till we find the light and libarate from the bondages wich keep us tight,and slaves of our karma in that material flesh cage.
2012 seems to change a lot of things on earth and make things more clear(if we survive)for what to expect from the closer furure,something like a red card,and alarm bell from nature.
The more attachments we have with matterials and earth pleasures the more weaker full of "I"s we became against the threat of the red giant,who would probably,suck our souls, microcosms, like a magnet togeter with ou r egos.
That is the difficult part,and the solution is trance music.Use sound tool for conciousnes with all those patterns,loops,kicks....for psychological work ,like a serch tool and wash machine,to clean our inner self through the meditative way.Bpms the best friends ,as much more quikly run and more complicated algorythms we pass the time we listen and dance ,the much more faster we find the roots of our egos and then get rid of them.
Shiva Nataraja as he dances keeping a dark skull with his right hand (ignorance)and a sharp knife with flames on his left ,cutting theough the ignorance and lightinf darkness,healing ignorance...
@14 year old e tard
if you dont get me serious why yo always argue with me and right posts for the subject topic I started?
sure I dont expect from you to get me serious.
@hermit
shame on me really,I dint new the link about english spelling,I ll try next time,sorry.
          ~~~~~~~namaskar~~~~~~~~~
After the End,a new Begining startS..
EYB
Noized

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Posted : Nov 25, 2005 08:30
I don't wanna read all the 10 pages here but i wonder myself how can there be a 10 pages threat about how/if psytrance can save the world from a astroid.

Psytrance will definitly not save the world in this case!            Signature
shamanizer


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Posted : Nov 25, 2005 09:01
EYB, if you read the last two pages you will see the discussion has taken another direction.
I see your point Retard, in a way we could say that anything happens here is natural, this is now more of a discussion about terminology.
However, we, as a humankind, could have chosen another way of life, similar to what indigenous tribes have, and there wouldn't be problems of this scale, humankind and nature would have been in balance. Indigenous people have uttermost respect towards Mother Earth, we civilised people have uttermost respect towards money. You may call it natural if you wish, but while doing so you kind of justify actions taken by multinational corporations. In my opinion we didn't come that far from the days of colonialism, now its not the nations anymore, but its corporations (corporate colonialism) doing so.
If you go calling this development natural, go and do it for instance in Amazon where multinational papermill companies hack down the natural surroundings of millions of species including indigenous tribes.
Peace&Respect.
EYB
Noized

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Posted : Nov 25, 2005 09:10
U can't say that we could have choosen another way. Maybe, but only maybe we could have, u don't know it.            Signature
shamanizer


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Posted : Nov 25, 2005 09:27
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On 2005-11-25 09:10, EYB wrote:
U can't say that we could have choosen another way. Maybe, but only maybe we could have, u don't know it.




Ok ok, terminology seems to be of uttermost interest for some people in here.
You are right, its not we who could have chosen, I'm referring to whole humankind here and yea, you're right that I don't know if humankind could have chosen otherwise. I still believe that it could have. Nations could have co-operated already long ago to make things better for everybody, but instead nations chose to fight and gather wealth for themselves. Now, it might be that its evolution, that there's a mechanism built in our head that derives from ancient times when it was necessary to fight after every single peace of meat. But why do we still have to do so?? So that some privileged people are able sum up zeros on their bank accounts while other ones are starving. Does that sound justified??
Our time has given a justification to greed and ego, this can be seen especially in corporate world, where only valid measurement is money. Economic growth overwrites everything else including human rights. David C. korten, Harvardian professor of economy, calls corporations kind of living entities that feed on wealth (ill effects are seen everywhere), humans built up a system so great that it got out of hand and started to live its own life and infact only a very very small number of people benefit from this and in the long run no-one.
Pavel
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Posted : Nov 25, 2005 09:47
I'm sorry, can i reply to the name of the topic alone?
If i can then:

          Everyone in the world is doing something without me
The Green Channel
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Posted : Nov 25, 2005 12:05
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On 2005-11-25 09:01, shamanizer wrote:

However, we, as a humankind, could have chosen another way of life,


Yes, we could have lived that way, in balance with nature, our true mother. This was ANOTHER path we should have considered long-ago. Anyhow, i'm looking forward to the year 2012.

We are animals, nevertheless, we are also something else, something that represents consciousness, yet, people don't seem to use this remarkable option very frequently.

I'll quote the famous existentialist Soren Kirkegaard: "Life can only be understood backwards; but it must be lived forwards".

One must understand the secrets of the past and face the present.
          "Love is a way of life"

(Gaia, Love, Nature, Shamanism (.2A.y.0a.hu.1a.sc.2a.), Terence McKenna)
Pt.
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Posted : Nov 25, 2005 12:45
btw. Green. EGO is a big part of nature. EGO is what drives us/animals to survive and evolve. EGO is a natural phenonomon. EGO is in us all, it's just important to use alittle commen sense and heart and not only EGO. But the more animal like we are, the more EGO we use. Humans are a race that tries to step away from EGO, though you can see corporation and govermental EGO all around you. offtopic?
14-year old e-tard
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Posted : Nov 25, 2005 13:05
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On 2005-11-25 07:30, Gopendra wrote:
@14 year old e tard
if you dont get me serious why yo always argue with me and right posts for the subject topic I started?


Because its fun

Shamaniser, I am not trying to justify all the bad things that are happening to the poor around the globe. I do not like it, but the term survival of the fittest applies to humans too. Times have moved forward and for the most part of the world, life is f*cking rat race. There are goverments that rule their people in a bad way, probably the most, but who put those goverments there in the first place? Surely the goverments that are the stronger financial powers and have a big say about the enviroment are the ones that got elected from the people? You see when we have conversations about the world and how it should be a merry place, we appear to be very generous, but come the day where you or your children will have more and you will do everything that is in your power to have your way, even if that means that someone else's children, someone who is a stranger to you, will starve.
Animals hunt, kill and eat their prey, which is the last one to eat the leftovers? The weakest. Evolution means the more evolved organisms that adapt to their enviroment, survive and the ones that don't, die. It is a harsh way to look at things, especially if you are an animal that is civilised, but that is the way we got here in the first place.
Again, I am not saying everything around the world is the way it should be, we could have made things different, maybe for the best, maybe for worst, but we simply chose not to. Things are looking bad, but you never know what happens. No one (except Gopendra obviously) can predict the future. The only thing we can try and do, is to do our best and see what happens.
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Pavel
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Posted : Nov 25, 2005 13:13
Finally some wisdom in 2 posts above me. God damn hippies           Everyone in the world is doing something without me
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