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___ChillCrew
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Posted : Nov 26, 2001 13:19:06
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Yes david, could not have put it better!
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___yuli
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Posted : Nov 26, 2001 15:30:59
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Ahalan usahalan ya Shish Kebab!
This brings us to the old discussion ( that haven't yet been discussed in this forum ) WHAT IS ART?
Is a Toilet = piece of art if it is put in a Museum? ( True story )
Some say yes - it's a way of expression
I can't really connect with that - what it seems more to me - 21 century schizoid bullocks/ or the urine is really up our head cuz the latrine is in the museum
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___kaz
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Posted : Nov 26, 2001 18:31:19
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trance (in a way) is much closer to photography than painting. It requires a lot of thought, and to "catch" the ideas at the perfect time, and those are more imortant than a steady hand and experience (and some acts proved that it's more important than talent, IMO).
But as an abstract form of art - trance can be above that. It's not always that way, but lets admit it, the amount of complex ideas and (more importantly) complex expressions in a track by Ticon is much smaller than one by Psycraft for instance. Ticon being very, VERY proffesional, depecting everything that was needed and wanted by the musicians themselves, but nothing more... On the other hand we can take an act like Blue Planet Corporation (or Psycraft, or quite a few others), which may not be nearly as proffesional as Ticon, and maybe not everything always sounds in place, and the groove sometimes gets lost in between a few ideas.. But it expresses much more than just what the artists THOUGHT, but what they imagined and felt.
So is trance art? There's a huge grey area, from one side to another, but all of the music is considered art to certain people, and some of the music is considered art by everyone (well, nearly :))...
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___bomshankar
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Posted : Nov 26, 2001 19:34:03
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Music is the interaction between sound and my mind.
Trance is music! |
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___david_kebab
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Posted : Nov 27, 2001 08:48:32
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Yuli, about the toilet well for me its much art.
sice the artist (duchamp) did say something.
and what about jackson pullock when he didn`t had money to pay in bar (he drank alot) he would break some bottles signed his name and say to the owner you u have a pullock art-its worth more than what i should pay.
duchamp did his fountain (toilet) as critism of musieums and the state of the art in the modern era. so in a funny way i guess he expressed what u feel too. |
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___yuli
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Posted : Nov 27, 2001 12:39:15
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Shishke,
That is the point -
The fountain a.k.a toilet is something I can't agreee with in a museum - as a protest or as a showoff, in either case it's not for me ( though I believe some would find it very artistic - I had these discussions some 10 - 15 years ago when I had the power for that ). You have to remember that to create this 'ART' the artist was known and respected so he could pull out this 'ART' - correct me if I am wrong with the d-tails.
There is a certain difference between one that was a known sculptor and started making weird things and one that never been a sculptor and pretends to b one. That will take us back to where the thread started.
BTW birds singing is a music of life and with all due respect, together with all other nature things cannot belong to the music created by humans - imo |
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___david_kebab
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Posted : Nov 27, 2001 15:55:02
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Yuliko, ART- is what a group of people or even one person defines as ART.
thats what i think the fountain was about.
IMHO- birds and stuff like is as art as it can be. |
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___yuli
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Posted : Nov 27, 2001 17:13:27
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Man, u and me are like 2 parralel lines.. we never meet.. except the parties from time to time ;-) |
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___david_kebab
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Posted : Nov 27, 2001 17:23:44
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thats what so nice about it:)
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___pacman7331
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Posted : Nov 28, 2001 06:39:05
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first thing first.. if you need drugs to hear the music... It isn't music. If THATs the case 4 U then it's not music 4 u. 2 ME it's goa/psy/min is music. and some of it is museic. ("at least E make it ah SOUND like muhsic" - phantom of the opera)
I dunno, if goa isn't music. Then that is pretty cool I think. (revolutionary?) But then what do you call Korn and other thrash trash? Certinley not 'MUSE'ic... lol ...but perhaps the opposite... uh.. damn dunno greek myths well...
anyway... it's music.. really i mean... people call Aphex Twin music... some times he makes music... some times he just makes noise... I mean it is NOISE.. you don't get all pedantic and analyze it and call it "genious"! Some of it IS NOISE and if you asked Richard he'd probably say it WAS with pride and enthusiasm!!!!!!!
i don't base my opinion on what other people think but... All I know is that, if I made a trance track I would make MUSEic ...no problem. I wouldn't call it a song though... eh hehheheh (lets not get into that tangent) Other people might just make a track and not be inspired by muse... Then perhaps it can't be called museic. But then only god knows what is... eh huh
basicly music is relative. everything is......(angels sing)....... . . . Woah. lol.
if your the only one here?... what it you are the ONLY person HERE (?everone/thing else a figment). The world is relative to you. |
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___gRaViTy_WaVeD
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Posted : Nov 28, 2001 23:22:51
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to put it simple
if trance isnt music,but rather chaos with no structure... then i realy love hearing insanity
we put it in our ears
it reaches our mind
we smile
we enjoy
and thats all you need... |
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___kaz
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Posted : Nov 29, 2001 14:12:18
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abstract ideas vs. classic musical definitions, bla bla bla.
I don't believe anyone likes music only becuase it goes good with drugs, and I'm sure that people don't hear any form of music under the influence of something always, if you know someone like that, shoot him and call it a mercy killing.
Why won't this thread just die? :) |
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___CozyCactus
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Posted : Nov 29, 2001 15:46:43
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trance isn't music..
its more than that:) |
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___DCQ
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Posted : Dec 2, 2001 13:57:46
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i find this a really silly discussion
time to end the discussion once and for all
now why the hell wouldnt trance be music?
i hear rythm, i hear melody, i hear chords
i ehar something consistently teproduced
is it because some electronic music is jsut a collection of weird sounds and drums?
ewll, i dont hear anything more inspirational in very old fuga and church music from many centuries ago- monotonic, one chord music, precious little variation ni rythm
we all speak a language, amny of us have different natural languages
music is a WORD
humans create words, names, as part of their language to descirbe things
we create words, therefore we create the definition of what a word is
music is a WORD
we define what that word means
if we say something is music, then its music
trance definitely falls under the definition of what music means
i dont quite see the point of any argument
thank you
peace brothers |
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___tomeron
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Posted : Dec 2, 2001 14:46:26
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here's my opinion :
trance IS music !
on the other hand , there r alot of tracks that i hear (especialy lately) that the connection between them & music is not very strong...
the way i see it , to put baselines with some snares & hihat & throw in every 4 or 8 bars differant sounds/fx , wrap it up with decent sound work & here we got a hit , is not the way to do music...
& i think most of u knows what i'm talking about..
there is alot of crap lately that brings (imo) this kind of discussions ...
another thing that not realy connected to this discussion ,but, point to think about... :
it seems to me that trance want to be anything but trance ,it wants to be techno , it wants to be club it wants to everthing ,but psychedelic !
there's alot of exeptions ,but ,in the big picture i think it's true
anyway that's my opinion... |
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