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trance is dying !!! PPL MAKE SOME NOISE

Dance N Dust
Dance N Dust

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Posted : Aug 10, 2003 17:55
hello to u all
here is asherun from dance n dust rec/israel.
im not so muth post here stuff but this time i must. as u know we all talk abut music and haw the internet fuck the music,but nun of the ppl give shit and more and more gat new music by the net,no 1 BUYING CDS,and that abut to be the END OF THE TRANCE,more and more good labels gate close thay are out of money and this is very very bad,its fuck the artist and in the end it fuck the ppl who like trance(bomerang)whay? cose we like trance so muth but we dont like to buy trance.
we like to get it for free in the net.
trance salles cut in 65% in salles.the problem is in israel,but not only its world wide problem,and u have to think abut it,if will be no change in this,i think in 1-2 years IT WILL BE NO MORE TRANCE THE MUSIC THAT U LOVE SO MUTH. artist spend so muth money for buying equipment,and spend so muth time for doing this sound and what in the end? the trax is good,but we got it from the net,so haw do u think the artist sould live from? they will have to go and work and trance?? may be ?i dont know.
flying rino,mark allen,blue room,m.d.m.a and the list is very long........that is only the start,
look whats going on...copy kill your music.
2)its abut 2 years or even more that i havent
been in a good party.whay,orgenizer doing party ask for 100 sekel and bring ther friends
that start djing jast cose its very cool to be a dj today,but music is sound this way as well,so what we do on friday? sitig at home.
whay to go party??? in the last 2 years i have been in les then 5 good party. wake up ppl
wher is the old day that we use to dance full on till 12 pm,do i have to go in germany to have good party? where all the good partys in israel?

its some thing to think abut if we dont do change soon in israel and not only then we lost the game and its bad for us,trance lover.....

asher
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NEO
IsraTrance Junior Member
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Posted : Aug 10, 2003 18:58
Asher!
i totaly understand u ! and i realy dont have anything to say then Buy music ppl! i guess some ppl dont understand how much it help's to buy cd...to earn the right to hear good music!
it's a uniqe music! plz dont destroy and kill it...

BUY UR FAVORITE MUSIC!!!!
Mike A
Subra

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Posted : Aug 10, 2003 19:02
We've discussed this quite a lot before...

What can I say. People need to be educated. I buy music, many people buy music. But many people also steal music, and get it for free (from various sources), including my own self. To be honest, I got a sharing program running now, and it's not for downloading a cooking book. It's much more accesible this way, and it's free. Quality is getting better all the time, and people do not feel like they're stealing. Since when clicking a mouse button is stealing?
Anyway, it's all about education. I myself try to buy my music, and I do that alot. But I also download, steal, and hurt the music industry.

A good thread to read:
http://forum.isratrance.com/viewtopic.php?topic=8478&forum=1
Dance N Dust
Dance N Dust

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Posted : Aug 10, 2003 19:40
i think we sould talk abut more and more till its will be in evry one mind,if we dont and we give up,then we will never have talk abut it any more,the resion will be: no more trance music.
whay? will be no more labels....

very essy........
nobody4
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Posted : Aug 10, 2003 20:26
A hard question, asher, and we both know how it looks like on the 'receiving' end of the stick...
I agree that the 'hagigat MP3' is hurting the industry (rediculous to call it industry, read Yaniv's article in Mushroom, a very important article), but I dont think trance will die. simply because of the fact that it's never needed the 'big industry' to run itself. The labels came along with the scene, and they co-exist rather depend on each other. There were trance parties long before Dragonfly, Flying Rhino, Matsury (anyone remember?) or TIP even existed, and probably there will be long after the last label closes its gates...
What ppl need to remember is indeed that by downloading instead of buying they are commiting a theft. and its not stealing from Metalica or Michael Jackson (who can't really complain about losing their livelyhood...), but stealing from ordinary ppl who wish to share the music with the little scene they are a part of. Nobody in the trance scene has every got rich from making, playing or distributing the music, and that's not the intention of opening a label.
But ppl SHOULD think about the fact that when less ppl are buying music (less income), the labels need to concentrate on more popular music (that sells) and dont have the funds to try and publish something that is not economicaly justified (hence all the bitching about 'commercializm of the big labels', 'everybody sounds the same' and such...)

Asherke, nothing to do about this. when ppl are stealing the music they do so with perfect knowledge of what they are doing, and they dont seem to care. but they will, and maybe too late...

regards,
Auspexx
Com.pact records           auspexx@compact-records.com
Dance N Dust
Dance N Dust

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Posted : Aug 10, 2003 21:05
talco,good to hear from u..
abut party,in the beginning 0f the 90 i was start going to trance party,dj was playing
with vinel,meaning that it was labels product
trance music also was music on cd,u can find
old stuff on cd from 91,92.
its means that dj play music that releasd somwhere,,!trance was more underground
but label product music..important to know
that trance is salling some 1000 copy and this is not Michael Jackson that salles 2 milon
cd and cose of the net he salles only 1.5 milon cd that still alot.
in trance good cd salles 3-5000 cds and cose of the net 60-65% less means that advance and royality for artist is muth less .affect of all of us,whay sould we work so hard to product cd,if 1 day after it releasd evry 1 have is by kaza??? did any1 think haw muth money and enargy we spend to product cd?
and haw muth the artist sit in his studio for doing to u what u like to listen?
nirvana


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Posted : Aug 10, 2003 21:15

From what i hear trance CD's are selling between 1000-2000 copies lately.

But it's interesting to note that there are more and more trance lovers, how does this add up?

Dance N Dust
Dance N Dust

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Posted : Aug 10, 2003 21:32
yes, today after the net problam trance salles
1000-2000 cd.
befor 3000-5000 cds and some time more
2/3 less salling !!
Mike A
Subra

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Posted : Aug 10, 2003 22:17
More and more trance lovers, less and less sales.

Again - this could be a result of release rate going higher than listener rate.
PsyFire
IsraTrance Junior Member

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Posted : Aug 10, 2003 22:19
I think that the main problem of cds is their price no matter what country we're talking about. If I could buy new cd's for 5$ each it would be different than the prices they usually go for. I know that some would claim that the label and artits wouldn't be making money but that's not true. It costs vertually nothing to make a cd. So maybe it's worth selling 20,000 cds for $5 than 1,000 cds for $15-20. The problem is everybody is greedy and the international music industry is not willing to accept that times have changed. If any 3 year old kid knows how to burn a cd for less than a dollar with any track from the Internet, something has to change. But i wouldn't say that trance will die... I feel that there is still hope. djs and producers will have to rely on Live Performences for income perhaps but if the demand for Trance will go up (and I'm sure it will...) than there's still hope for survival.
nobody_3
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Posted : Aug 10, 2003 22:32
Sorry to blow your illusion PsyFire but no matter what music would cost people would still download it and copy it. Downloading and copying have in many cases becomed an addiction similar to ludomania (when you cant stop gambeling).

It's is correct that people don't think how much it hurt the labels and us artists when they don't buy the music. They compare us to major names such as madona and indeed Metalica and think "Hey it's not too bad what I am doing. He (the artist) still sell tons of CD's so I can't hurt him"
That's the main problem that people just don't stop and think for a second. Education is a way but if people refuse to be educated then what? We have tried to tell people what they are doing is hurting us but still they increase downloading and copying. I honestly don't see a way out except to jump on the "commercial" band wagon and join a major label - if they want me !

BTW it's amazing how many e-mails I get from people loviing my music.... To be exact I have to date recieved more than 1500 emails but as far as I know i have only sold around 300-400 copies of my new CD !!!!!
Apocalypse Now
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Posted : Aug 10, 2003 22:32
Speaking from a consumers standpoint I can say that 8 months into 2003 I'm having a hard time finding more then 5 CD's that are really worth spending my money on so far. Now I am sure that I missed a couple of good ones but they are becoming extremely hard to find amongst the 350 (probably more) other psytrance cd's that were released this year.

I live in a part of the world where there aren't that many parties so I am usually looking for more home listening music and as you all know that is not the kind of music that most labels put out lately.
If artists continue to make only killer tracks for the dance floor then I will have to look other places for stuff to listen to at home and in my car.
That seems to be the trend recently with psytrance and I'm sure there are other people like myself who are feeling a bit left out.

          Both teams played hard
traveller
IsraTrance Senior Member

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Posted : Aug 10, 2003 23:43
well the shpongle albums sold over 50 000 copies.. that's really not too bad if you ask me..
hallucinogen - lone deranger made it to the french pop charts back when it was released.. that's not too bad either..           "The dinosaurs became extinct because they didn't have a space program."
- Larry Niven
nirvana


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Posted : Aug 11, 2003 00:39

Yes but Hallucinogen was released by Sony if I remember correctly.

Yuli
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Posted : Aug 11, 2003 02:01
Asher,

I understand your anxiety but really I don't see any problem anymore.. I used to see the problem but since I understood that the world has changed, and the change is irreversible - the technology changed our lives in more than one field and the field of media for all is one of them. To cry for change is waste of precious time.. As far as I can see there are few solutions / future possibilities for this situation...

1. Because of the flood of labels, many will make 3 - 4 cd's and vanish

2. Because of the possibility of making music at home without almost no investment at all, many lowtekk products will appear and finding good music will be harder and harder

3. Because of the devaluation of music also veterans will make less effort in creating quality tracks that one has to invest time into making them... unless

4. Part of the scene will understand that the true power of trance music is in it's underground roots and it is NOT for the masses.. Masses make this music sound NON PSYCHEDELIC and make the artists want to sell more and so CREATE NON PSYCHEDELIC music.. for crying out loud I found myself getting there

5. Majority of the scene will have a ride of their life into meaningless boredom of recycled products to solve an evident hunger of hordes of amphetamaniacs and THOSE WHO WILL MAKE IT GOOD WILL MAKE GOOD BUCKS ( and already do ) so it worth a try

I, myself, is a disaster in pleasing the masses so I decided for my own sake to make only what I like, and if on the way it touches a few it will be just wonderfull.

Good music will ever be.. It just will be more hidden from the web and in the end, those who will suffer from it will be the users ( but they wont notice, since they will be holding on to couple of thousand of tracks with same bassline but different names )


1, 2, 3 already happened and happening the rest is to come.. Check out the interview with Ben Watkins from Juno Reaktor, it was published somewhere in this forum, it seems he had enough of the Trance dance scene and it aint a big surprise

u can find it here http://www.nativeinstruments.de/index.php?matrix_us
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