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Mad Purple State
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Posted : Feb 5, 2008 23:58
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I dont have a problem with artists getting their break thru's & supporting the new ones in the scene... It just has to be tested and well filtered by the labels to keep the professional distribution of this art to the level it deserves...
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Zman
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Posted : Feb 6, 2008 00:02
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On 2008-02-05 23:43, Mad Purple State wrote:
Just need that format to compress 6-7 gems in a v.a. and 2 new artists would be really worth it.
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Exactly, we are going back to my point about several low-budget low quality labels coming up. The financial state of this music's economy is pathetic & not too many people are willing to risk their $$$ on 7-8 best selling artists in this genre even because the end outcome during most occasions is failure & losses. However there are labels such as Sanaton who have released 7-8 relatively unknown artists at the time of release, who have delivered some of the most magical sounds  Samples are our best bet or get into the practice of getting hold of an mp3 copy & then buying what you enjoy out of support 
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Mad Purple State
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Posted : Feb 6, 2008 00:35
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True that. Guess limited labels is the key ...
Cause the cost issue is quite big in small labels but if you have 10 fav. artists and you like to collect their every release you follow them around quite a few labels thas where the catch lies.
But lets see how 2008 goes for sure there are some brilliant tweakers in quite a few labels who're gonna suprise us year after year with monsters and I just cant await the madness. 
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Braindrop
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Posted : Feb 6, 2008 11:52
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I agree with u on certain things regarding this. Not all artists are prodigies for a start. MEaning, they would get better thru the days tht pass by. The issue is as zmandan mentioned, there r veryh few labels tht stll continue to release quality material, but if we notice .. they all represent a certain sound. So wat happens when an artist comes out with a new innovative sound ? As per say, these labels wldnt be interested in their sound, even if it is good... and if the other labels who pretty much like the sound, want to release it and refrain from doing so becoz ppl r in their own comfort zone.... then wat does the artist do... choose not to release music?? .... or be forced to make music to suit a certain label style??? Tht is limiting ones creativity and imo more like selling your soul.
As somebody mentioned abt production quality being important... true... it is... but tht requires... decent equipment... more technical knowledge ... and is a process which requires time and something tht would be developed with experience. Good music always comes first.... more than production quality. Talent comes from within... the rest can be developed. But tht doesnt mean one shld ignore the technical know-how while making tracks.
The hallucinogens, the shpongles etc. did not have awesome production quality when they came out. To say it was not even par with standards. But they created something, tht was never heard... and over the years the quality developed.
When certain labels are interested in certain tracks which are comparatively lacking on the production quality side.... they look into the sound of the artist and his vision as they knw the rest wil always be developed.
We have to remember tht this is underground music. And it will always have its limitations. Most of the artists are independent producers. If labels are so concerned abt their artists production quality, like in other popular music genres where they would cover the artist , do they cover for the artists for studio time etc..???
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Zman
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Posted : Feb 7, 2008 01:20
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On 2008-02-06 11:52, UrbanPsySpirit wrote:
I agree with u on certain things regarding this. Not all artists are prodigies for a start. MEaning, they would get better thru the days tht pass by. The issue is as zmandan mentioned, there r veryh few labels tht stll continue to release quality material, but if we notice .. they all represent a certain sound. So wat happens when an artist comes out with a new innovative sound ? As per say, these labels wldnt be interested in their sound, even if it is good... and if the other labels who pretty much like the sound, want to release it and refrain from doing so becoz ppl r in their own comfort zone.... then wat does the artist do... choose not to release music?? .... or be forced to make music to suit a certain label style??? Tht is limiting ones creativity and imo more like selling your soul.
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I have to disagree with you regarding this point in relation to the darkpsy genre at least. Very few labels have their own specific niche style - Parvati, Sanaton from the top of my mind who have their own type of sound that the listener expects even before listening to the release. I don't think new artists are being limited in anyway, the problem in fact is a lack of innovative sound from artists rather than limiting factors being enforced by the labels by not signing innovative sound. You have BIG labels like Insomnia Records offering a spectrum of different sounds for example ranging from Furious - Polyphonia - Crying Orc - Hallucinogenic Horses, what more can a 'quality innovative' artist ask for? There by i don't really think it makes sense to say that artists are forced to make 1 particular style, the possibilities are limitless, i think its just a lack of innovative ideas these days rather than specific 'label sound.'
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On 2008-02-06 11:52, UrbanPsySpirit wrote:
The hallucinogens, the shpongles etc. did not have awesome production quality when they came out. To say it was not even par with standards. But they created something, tht was never heard... and over the years the quality developed.
When certain labels are interested in certain tracks which are comparatively lacking on the production quality side.... they look into the sound of the artist and his vision as they knw the rest wil always be developed.
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+ 1 . I still very strongly believe its the ideas which matter a lot more than production quality, but considering this music is very often presented on PA, i think the importance of production quality is always on the rise & is definitely an added bonus as it makes the listening experience A LOT more satisfying & easy to digest.
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On 2008-02-06 11:52, UrbanPsySpirit wrote:
We have to remember tht this is underground music. And it will always have its limitations. Most of the artists are independent producers. If labels are so concerned abt their artists production quality, like in other popular music genres where they would cover the artist , do they cover for the artists for studio time etc..???
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hehe well thats the catch of the whole psytrance genre  Very few labels rely on this income as their only source of income & its always more of a secondary project that runs parallel to their main source of income. But if you have realized there are some artists who live off this genre of music who are obviously being covered for their studio time as their production quality is really slick & makes it obvious that a lot of time & effort has been put into this aspect.
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Kaz
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Posted : Feb 7, 2008 01:33
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Two words to solve that ails the scene, including the need for this thread: Quality Control.
And I don't mean "release something only in the label's current sound", I mean - if it ain't good, don't release it. Working at a label doesn't make you stop being listeners like everyone else, so why not instead of making a quick buck and releasing what you can, perhaps just wait a while and build a solid reputation for quality instead?
Worked wonders for Warp Records (I know that it's not psytrance, but just seriously... too good), Twisted Records/Backroom Beats, Boshke Beats, and a few others. Yes, nowadays, 2 good tracks a compilation is considered good enough. Frankly, that's just sad. I don't want to buy 5 albums to get 1 CD's worth of good music. I'd rather buy a good album, and nowadays, I don't trust any review other than my own because people who are enthused by a certain genre and don't find any track in the style boring will keep on saying how much it rocks.
So when I buy something, it's of an artist I know and love, or of a label I know that won't dissapoint me. New labels? New artists? I'll just listen at a friend's house or at a party, thank you. Until then I'll just enhance my Autechre collection, or check out something new on Ninja Tunes. Hell, I still am missing some Led Zep. |
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Posted : Feb 7, 2008 02:17
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the Market and his big invisible hand are the ones to make the choice out there, good music speaks for it self .
Reviews and samples are the key for letting people choose what they like and known new music.
The market itself already does everything you talk about, but you dont se the effects inmediatly, if bad labels arent making money and artist arent been booked they would stop producing at some point.
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Zman
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Posted : Feb 7, 2008 02:29
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On 2008-02-07 01:33, Kaz wrote:
Two words to solve that ails the scene, including the need for this thread: Quality Control.
And I don't mean "release something only in the label's current sound", I mean - if it ain't good, don't release it. Working at a label doesn't make you stop being listeners like everyone else, so why not instead of making a quick buck and releasing what you can, perhaps just wait a while and build a solid reputation for quality instead?
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Well i think the problem has more to do with 'poor tastes.' Don't get me wrong, i am not dissing anyone or boasting about my own tastes but a lot of those labels that i consider as mediocre are obviously hearing something that i am not before they sign the track. I think the problem is that they actually believe truthfully, that the music they are signing/producing is actually good when in reality i don't think thats the case. There absolutely NO WAY to have quality control in any genre of music. The problem is we are such a small genre with a relatively higher crap : good music ratio, therefore the mediocrity of the releases these days tends to stand out more blatantly.
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Zman
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Posted : Feb 7, 2008 04:31
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On 2008-02-06 11:52, UrbanPsySpirit wrote:
We have to remember tht this is underground music. And it will always have its limitations. Most of the artists are independent producers. If labels are so concerned abt their artists production quality, like in other popular music genres where they would cover the artist , do they cover for the artists for studio time etc..???
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Also don't forget this is a market where consumer is king & practically everything depends on listener demands. Why should someone buy poorly produced music with bad sound quality? Therefore if good production & sound is what it will take for music to sell - even in those few numbers, so be it Compromises can be made, but there needs to some bar/standard at which all prospective releases should be at before they are allowed to release.
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mk47
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Posted : Feb 7, 2008 08:00
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no need for standards .. just delete it if u don't like 
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narasimha
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Posted : Feb 8, 2008 02:09
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There is never too much positivity
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Magox
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Posted : Feb 8, 2008 05:02
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On 2008-02-08 02:09, narasimha wrote:
There is never too much positivity
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nice
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