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Too Much Positivity = False Hope ?
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Mad Purple State
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Posted : Feb 5, 2008 15:46
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Ive been reading a lot of posts on the promotional reviews section and came upon this question.
As we know there is a lot of music being released that is either stagnant or typical full on (morning + dark)... Many new comers who are tryin to bring their music out to us and a lot of this music is only good for one listen or sometimes not good enuf to be even release material.
The questions is sometimes these people are encourged in the wrong way... may be by friends and fans & labels too who to their faces tell them its banging music but at the back of their minds even they know the sound is just not out there. Then when the album is released the amount of copies and ´bang´ that he expected doesnt return and the artist is really lost in translation and the people who buy their music also confused to which direction we all are going.
Do you think giving false hope to art that really isnt art is now having a negative impression on the scene & artists and its getting bigger by the year?
And due to this scenerio the really talented projects out there are not given inspiration they need from us madhatters which I feel is a very important factor for them to produce beautiful music.
Any comments most welcome.
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NIKTHEQUICK
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Posted : Feb 5, 2008 15:59
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I kind of agree with you.......my topic on the best production (on dj and artists) was inspired by the same thoughts....too many "low quality" releases we cant recognize the real deal.....and dont give enough respect to the masters....
on the other hand i find this music soo innovative that often i dont like a track but listening to it over and over i see the psychedelia in it.......soo many different styles that one has to capture the essence of the producers before judging......
how can we distiguish not liking a style/artist and low quality music...?too personal?!!
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Mad Purple State
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Posted : Feb 5, 2008 16:07
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Yeah Nik, I kinda added your idea on the other topic with this one to explain the effect of new artists over shadowing the masters.
I agree on your part that personal choice is a BIG factor in this arguement but listening to so much of music you know when its not your style but the music in there is top notch, for example - I dint like the last 2 perplex albums, nor the tristan chemisphere or the vishnudata for that matter BUT the music is top notch, detailed and a proper work of art turned into a good product.
Even though the music didnt connect to me so much its real psychedelic release material. So even the music that you say takes time to feel, its only cause its highly intelligent which grows on you but that music you can atleast recognize in your first hearing.
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Bender B. Rodriguez
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Posted : Feb 5, 2008 17:24
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The problem here are the labels. Labels should act like filters. It`s an producer`s obligation (to himself) to send his material to a label. And it is an obligation of the label to judge whether it has the quality to be released or not. Today most of the label will release anything that remotely sound like a finished track, no quality control or anything.
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NIKTHEQUICK
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Posted : Feb 5, 2008 18:18
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very good point bender.....i agree....
then again cant anyone see that there are too many labels......definetely too many for the people buying music, but just enough for new artist to showcase their talent.....
a good first filter should be the objectivity of the people around you....a second could be sites like this....and then come the labels....
I agree with you too mad.....problem is when you got new styles (i mean really advance/ new kind of music) recognising the beauty or at the same time the bad side is sometimes difficult....
furthermore i judge artist also by how much innovation they push in their style....if the style keeps getting better but is very similar to previous releases then for me it can still lacks "quality".......
morale: lets be more objective and new producers accept constructive criticism.....
bholenath
PS. (i still cant understand how we can loose this positivity when people still have such weird tastes in music....) |
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Minimal Monster
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Posted : Feb 5, 2008 18:42
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Freeflow
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Posted : Feb 5, 2008 19:31
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well there are too many humans in the world aswell
and no quality control on them...
if a lable want to release a track, whos gonna stop them? Taste is subjective
if i have a picture of my self but i dont like it, but someone else like it.. should i then deny them the picture or embrace the freedom of choice?
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Zoolog
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Posted : Feb 5, 2008 20:00
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The taste in and purpose of music is relative.... Generally in all genres there is alot of crap... take into consideration that humans was involved in the process.
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Xolvexs
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Posted : Feb 5, 2008 21:06
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r u gonna stop them? if so how? not buy their music? doesnt really matter...no ones buying music from good labels either...so why you complaining...i have money to waste you have time to kill..so whats the problem
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Mad Purple State
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Posted : Feb 5, 2008 22:51
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hey guys... relax... its a discussion, dont just shut it off on a negative note. Unless it doesnt bother you at all.
Yes its true theres a lotta crap on all genres... but those genres you get to watch videos on tele... you get to listen to their interviews... you get recommended by a 100 ppl, you can check the billboard top 50 and then you can go to the store and pick up the cd.
With us, we depend on only samples and reviews.
The reason I started this topic is this - If there were many talented musicians in our scene who'd release a album each year, I'd never buy V.A's.
because i feel the artist puts his all in a creation of his art when its something personal. But there is not enuf music so I purchase VA's.
The thing ive noticed on many forums is that when a new artist is launching an album or a part of a V.A. a lot of known artists come online and leave a compliment for that unknown artist. For example If para-halu, Blisargon Demogorgan, Parasense left a killer msg, you are compelled to be curious what tricks that artist has. But when you purchase the cd, it turns out bogus. THAT is the wrong positivity or false hope Im talking bout. Its killing our scene.
Also, when a V.A is released I started getting this feeling that Labels to save money but still attract consumers add just one or two big names in the V.A and the rest are bogus, they dont even have a story. I feel thas highly exploiting the scene and we are the ones who're taking the damage.
Excusing the rudeness in your above comment, I still agree with you, I cant stop them... but I just feel its so wrong. Lots of people have the money but the point is lots of people love the scene too much for it to go the wrong direction, hence the discussion.
Peace.
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Zman
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Posted : Feb 5, 2008 23:27
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Interesting topic but i must agree with what Zoolog has to say. Considering music involves tastes it all goes back to perception & what sound means what to whom. Purpose & tastes in music are forever changing from person to person & we aren't at a stage to even express our own feelings about music clearly through words. Hence, there is nothing such as 'wrongly encouraged.' As much as i hate 80% of the darkpsy releasing these days, with exceptions being releases from Sanaton, Parvati, Insomnia, Tantrumm, Vertigo there is absolutely nothing i can do from preventing the rest from releasing the music they want to. The only thing you can & should do is support the labels you believe are delivering the goods by buying their music.
Every genre has its own fair share of crappy music be it pop or psytrance but sadly i hate to admit but the ratio between crap : good music IMO is pretty high in the psytrance genre. Also we have an exceedingly high number of low-budget, low-quality labels cropping up who can only afford amateurish artists with poor production quality. So at the end of the day its better that we focus our energies on promoting the labels/music we love instead of putting down those in what we believe is the 'mediocre' category.
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phiber_optixz
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Posted : Feb 5, 2008 23:34
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On 2008-02-05 22:51, Mad Purple State wrote:
The thing ive noticed on many forums is that when a new artist is launching an album or a part of a V.A. a lot of known artists come online and leave a compliment for that unknown artist. For example If para-halu, Blisargon Demogorgan, Parasense left a killer msg, you are compelled to be curious what tricks that artist has. But when you purchase the cd, it turns out bogus. THAT is the wrong positivity or false hope Im talking bout. Its killing our scene.
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Absolutely correct! LOL.. Have wasted quite a few $'s buying sub-standard music.
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Mad Purple State
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Posted : Feb 5, 2008 23:43
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Agreed, but what you miss out if you leave all the rest is atleast 2 brilliant tracks from every bad V.A. and they release by 20 V.A's every month.
That makes it 40 really good tracks every month and this is prolly only for the Dark Genre of psy...
Add it up to a year and you got a collection there!
Just need that format to compress 6-7 gems in a v.a. and 2 new artists would be really worth it.
Boom.
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Zman
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Posted : Feb 5, 2008 23:48
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On 2008-02-05 22:51, Mad Purple State wrote:
The thing ive noticed on many forums is that when a new artist is launching an album or a part of a V.A. a lot of known artists come online and leave a compliment for that unknown artist. For example If para-halu, Blisargon Demogorgan, Parasense left a killer msg, you are compelled to be curious what tricks that artist has. But when you purchase the cd, it turns out bogus. THAT is the wrong positivity or false hope Im talking bout. Its killing our scene.
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There is hardly anything you can do about this. Bro i don't think we can hold other people accountable for us feeling ripped off by what we have bought. Some of the 'new' artists as you said may even one day be the Para Halus, Kindzadzas & Syntax Errors of tomorrow. You can't really blame people for supporting others, its just a positive gesture IMO & a lot of the time the artists who are attempting to make a break-through into this genre need support of this nature. Personally, i am never compelled to check out any VA's based on anyones opinion whether its Blisargon or whether its Demogorgon. There are maybe 4-5 friends/5-6 labels who's tastes i trust completely & i usually end up trusting their recommendations/tastes...No exceptions to this rule 
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Zman
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Posted : Feb 5, 2008 23:51
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On 2008-02-05 23:43, Mad Purple State wrote:
Agreed, but what you miss out if you leave all the rest is atleast 2 brilliant tracks from every bad V.A. and they release by 20 V.A's every month.
That makes it 40 really good tracks every month and this is prolly only for the Dark Genre of psy...
Add it up to a year and you got a collection there!
Just need that format to compress 6-7 gems in a v.a. and 2 new artists would be really worth it.
Boom.
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Ahhhh hehe 2 gems on a CD these days is also a rarity! If i could find 2 gems on every darkpsy release i would reach nirvana, seriously  Very few releases these days have even 2 gems. The formula is usually 4-5 substandard unreleasable material, 3 half baked attempts, and 2 tracks to put you to sleep right in the end  IMO a lot of the darkpsy nowadays lacks heart and soul, just sounding like some mediocre attempt to kill stoned boredom. Anyways thats that, trust your own ears, nothing can ever go wrong  Hope i didn't ruffle any darkpsy fan's feathers (i happen to be one too btw )
Nice topic 
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