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too many bad vibes

RatInAKage
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Posted : Mar 24, 2006 13:23
Guys,

For all of you who have a problem with the SA trance parties, i suggest you find yourself a copy of the new "SKAZI - Hit and Run World Tour (DvD)"

Its quite an eye opener. It shows big trance parties in Israel, Russia, Brazil, Mexico and Japan. Yeesh. To begin with, many of the parties are not in forests but massive stadiums or sometimes concrete blocks (parking lots...). The people themselves are ALL on ecstacy. There are all practically on top of each other sitting on each others shoulders blowing whistles and waving glow sticks with paranoid exstatic glowing chewing smiling sweating faces. Not a psychadelic tripper amoung them (this was also my experience at the one trance party i attended in the UK)

The night time gigs have lasers and sexy stage dancers in matching outfits putting themselves through burning rings of fire. Skaz himself stands on the front of the stage guitar hanging from his neck hands in the air, headbanging, while his backup DJs (all wearing the Skazi parapheneilia) work the mixers. Then theres numerous shots of the "Crew" riding around in limos and signing autographs at the mall.

Its all quite eye opening and really makes me appreciate how good we have it here.

Quote:

On 2006-03-19 20:20, DJSarasin wrote:
Caligula.....

I would liek to see teh Dj or Live act's name displayed by teh VJ's.




I dissagree. Lets not pump up the egos of the DJs any more than is nessasary. a bit of confusion is good. after all, the Dj is supposed to be there to facilitate people's trip not to be the focus of it...


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anyways, thats my 2 cents
DJSarasin
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Posted : Mar 24, 2006 18:21
Not constantly, but when they start up and maybe once or twice during the set.

not DJ's so much......But at least the Live Artists.

All mayhem and no organisation can't be good.           Beartrap - SA

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l337
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Posted : Mar 24, 2006 22:16
yeah ,...the chem crew definiterly played a major partin fucking up the scene....

...i still remeber alot of my friends getting so amped over the chemical crew, while i always mantained how commercial they were.....only for my friends to suddenly tell me a few monthes later how commemrcial CC were cos now it was cool to listen to timecode....interesting that....ignore the ramblings here...dont wana start fights,....only wanted to give my 2 cents on my dislike for CC
RatInAKage
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Posted : Mar 27, 2006 08:55
erm.

Im not saying that anyone is fucking up the scene. Just reminding you fellas again how awesome the parties here really are. and of course the music and artists!!!

n e ways,

peace out.
Tundra
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Posted : Mar 27, 2006 11:07
You wanna see what a Brazillian party looks like?

http://shpongle.free.fr/videoIM/BecomingInsaneLiveBrazil09122005.mpg           A beer in the hand is worth 2 in the fridge
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ApsyDrop
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Posted : Mar 27, 2006 15:07
Firstly, can we keep the swearing down please, guys.

I agree with this:

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I dissagree. Lets not pump up the egos of the DJs any more than is nessasary. a bit of confusion is good. after all, the Dj is supposed to be there to facilitate people's trip not to be the focus of it...



Psychedelic trance is not supposed to shift the focus from the music and experience onto one or two individuals on a stage playing music or somebody tweaking the visuals or this... or that....... it's not THEIR party... it's OUR party.

I remember going to psy parties and not having a clue who was playing or what was playing! That was half of the excitement! Wondering who is actually playing half the time... because it doesn't really matter who's playing... all that mattered was that everything around me seemed amazing and my mind was blooming....

All the matters is the journey that you experience through the music, the people that you meet and just the sheer madness and beauty of it all.... Psychedelic music is so primal and cutting... it just tears into every part inside me.

I think that dj's and producer do tend to grow huge ego's and get quite a huge kick out of playing for massive crowds... it's one of our weaknesses as humans... and it's a trait of all "underground" music scenes which turn into a full blown commercial commodity...

The music becomes "cool" and "trendy" instead of just being a piece of music that you can appreciate and love for what it is. Suddenly it can be purchased and music gets sold like a piece of meat to record labels who only like certain pieces of meat and are very picky in their taste.....

Anyways.. i'm going off topic.

Just enjoy the music and the party and let's stop glorifying artists so much.... They're good.... and they're a huge part of the party .... but psytrance parties .. aren't just parties... well... they used to be a way of life for me.

Peace!
          Mind my mind.
DJSarasin
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Posted : Mar 28, 2006 20:09
hey.....true that ApsyDrop.....

But thing is.....these Artists ...yourself being on of em....are putting shit out there!

Its respect to acknowledge it.
Thats all.

Don;t have to make the party about them.....but their names are used to indicate the type of music which will be played.

IF the parties had no lineup.....i doubt they would have the impact they used to.

The scene has changed. We need to accept this ....and once again morph it to what we want.....not let it run wild.

Cuz back in the day.....there were no real shit stirrers.

Nowadays...there are. Its fact mate.

So as you said....it is OUR scene...and OUR party.

but there has to be a ring leader....and the DJ or the Live act is just that for his hour or so.

IF i had an amazing journey to a certain set......and the next did nothing for me.....i would wanna know who that person is.

Cuz i wanna hear it on my own time.....meaning buying the CD.

So the artists can live and carry on leading the ring......when its his turn.

The DJ or the Live Act is teh one driving you...they the ones creating that specific journey....for you to interpret in your own way.

I agree not to boost the DJ's or Artists ego too much....but its also not nice to go out.....perform for masses.....after you have prepared.....and then get no recognition.

I mean....its like saying paintings should be anonymous.

but agreed.....the focus should be on the heaving dancefloor.....on the masses.

Its them who its all being done for!

I hear ya Apsydrop.....they are still my way of life.

But its changed.....and it can;t be helped!

We just need to make sure we weed out the dodge....           Beartrap - SA

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RatInAKage
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Posted : Mar 29, 2006 09:23
Quote:

On 2006-03-28 20:09, DJSarasin wrote:

but its also not nice to go out.....perform for masses.....after you have prepared.....and then get no recognition.

I mean....its like saying paintings should be anonymous.




maybe paintings should be anonymous. I mean look at the psychadelic art up at the parties. Theres no name at the bottom of those paintings. Theres no name on the shade structures flying above the dancefloor. Theres no "This beautiful venue was found by so and so". This crew took the time to put up this huge sound rig, these guys are gonna be picking up the cigarette butts when you leave and so on...

A lot of people contribute to a party being amazing. People work an plan for weeks to make it as awesom as possible but they are not looking for recognition.

I think one DJ lineup on a piece of paper posted somewhere is cool. That way people who want to know will go out and find it. people are now taking photos of the lineup on their phones and showing it to each other on the dance floor. It makes it a talking point and adds to the mystery of things.

the whole -
"Whos this guy?"
"Oh. thats Sarasin"
"Ahh ok, hes really good..."
- kinda thing...

Remember Sarasin, DJing is a privilage. Do you know how many aspiring DJs would love to have an hour to play to a big crowd? Just enjoy the moment and forget about the recognition.
l337
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Posted : Mar 29, 2006 09:24
Quote:

On 2006-03-28 20:09, DJSarasin wrote:


I agree not to boost the DJ's or Artists ego too much....but its also not nice to go out.....perform for masses.....after you have prepared.....and then get no recognition.

I mean....its like saying paintings should be anonymous.






Sarasin , a true artist doesnt give a shit about fame and fortune....

are you pushing this idea , because its an issue for you yourself...???

and if that is the case , why gernalize?

ApsyDrop
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Posted : Mar 29, 2006 10:21
I think it all boils down to personal opinion...
and what you want out of it.

Some people walk away from playing a gig....

and think that they have had the most amazing inner journey that translated their thoughts and feelings well so that the audience could appreciate it.......

some people will think "hey! I managed to get the crowd rocking for an hour!"

other people will think..."The crowd was rocking and it was great... but damn .. that was so boring."

The posibilities are endless. We are humans and have the capacity to think and feel completely different from each other. I hate the concept of fame and fortune. I really believe that selling music to a record label/media organisation is selling your soul to the devil. I won't lie, I have sold music for films/media already... and yeah.. it feels great to get the bucks for doing something that you love... but I still feel a bit weird for doing it. That music was a piece of my soul... and I sold it so that other people could experience it. When money and ego are involved... it really takes away from the spiritual experience of being creative in any way.

but at the same time.....
can we really put a pricetag on something that comes from within or become a status symbol because of what you believe in?

This world is a funny place... but hey...

We've all just got to make a plan and make sure the next person is smiling.








          Mind my mind.
DJSarasin
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Posted : Mar 29, 2006 17:58
No....

As i said before.....NOT SO MUCH THE DJ's....MORE THE ARTISTS.

I mean a DJ is fokol compared to a Fully fledged Psytrance Artist.

Take away names on flyer.....and don;t have titles or names on CD's....

The scene will dry up.

Cuz the artists won;t be compensated.

Thats all i am on about.


Compensation for hard work and delivering a product.

In the end its business.....sorry folks.

for the top knobs who are putting on teh whole show....its business.

Whether they say so or not.

If you say trance is your way of life......then its your bread and butter.

You can;t eat CD's or a memory.

I do agree it should not be emphasised.

I do.

But compensation there must be.


l337....buzz off please.....i don;t need your shit stiring.
          Beartrap - SA

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Caligula
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Posted : Mar 29, 2006 19:17
sarasin i dont think he was giving you stick... its fair comment to say perhaps its an issue for you - being recognised - i mean for me it is... i would love recognition.. its not all about putting out anonymous art, as you say.

i think (and i may be wrong) that l337 was suggesting that you're speaking on behalf of a group of people, and perhaps in this case you can't generalise.

but i do agree with you regarding the point that people need to make a living and you can't just have blank flyers... but i think in an ideal world the psytrance scene wouldn't be about names. even hard work would be put in purely for other's enjoyment (and the enjoyment of making it) and thus no recognition would be necessary.

but, alas, we don't live in an ideal world... and people crave attention (me included!)

ah, to play a live set at a cape town outdoor... at about 7.30am... one day... one day...           difficile est non saturam scribere
DJSarasin
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Posted : Mar 29, 2006 21:25
Yeah...its Wicked!

And as a young DJ....thats one of the things i was after.....recognition.

But I have been kinda recognised.....and whats better....is that its recognition from my peers....Not someone that does not even know me.I walk off after my set...onto teh dancefloor....and kick it a bit with my fellow trancies.....not to get their praise....but to ENJOY IT ....like they are.
Recognition is fuckall.....
When you have played a set that SUCKED.....but ppl maybe did not feel that way....and tune it was COOL.
This does NOTHING but upset me more!
Its how I feel when i am done....knowing i did the best job i could.
Cuz i know if thats the case....then the floor is happy....which is the most important...INNIT?

The Bom Trancies have sorta gotten to know me,....and i would rather hear them tell me i played SHYTE.....or that i am a looser....than someone that does not know me at all.

I am just so gatvol of ppl talking about this all....and doing FOKOL! Its all VERY idealistic.

Everyone thinks they know the scene and what the deal is.

No one knows man!

We all just TRY and know!

Me included.

Trance...the art of....
Psytrance.....the pleasure of listening

Producing....this is something differant to the above two mentioned.

This is not about me...or my wants.

I merely said i would like to be able to see who is playing.
I get asked all the time....

Like one of you said....its Mystical.....cool!

But not EVERYONE feels that way!

I am generalizing......Its not only me that would like to see the names displayed.
They would like to follow it. As i did.

I don;t need my name displayed.....

My ugly mug does all that on its own!

HEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEh
          Beartrap - SA

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marc_and_jason


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Posted : Mar 29, 2006 22:55
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i think eventually there will end up being two kinds of parties...

the big INfected , GMS, skazi type parties, and then of course the smaller parties with a less fluffy sound and more minding bending etc....



Exactly,L337,and it seems it's already making the split this season.A good thing we think;keeps diversity and creativity alive.
RatInAKage
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Posted : Mar 30, 2006 09:42
Quote:

I walk off after my set...onto teh dancefloor....and kick it a bit with my fellow trancies.....not to get their praise....but to ENJOY IT ....like they are.



nice one Sarasin! We all appreciate you taking the time to mingle with us commoners.

Quote:

When you have played a set that SUCKED.....but ppl maybe did not feel that way....and tune it was COOL.
This does NOTHING but upset me more!



Yeh because believe it or not, the average trance head doesnt know the difference. Its like your average drinker thinking tassies is a really good wine or not knowing the difference between 3 ships whisky and Jonny Blue label.

When you completely fuck up a mix and it all goes pear shaped you are dying inside, but to the untrained ear that just sounds like some kind of psychadelic effect. Now add some mind altering hulucinogenics and endorphine raising substances into the mix plus a charged atmosphere and stunning surroundings and youve got a winning formula!

Quote:

Producing....this is something differant to the above two mentioned.



Yes. We should have respect for the live artist playing his OWN tunes. But at the same time, remember that he didnt INVENT the 4 step beat. he didnt invent the idea of playing a kick over a bassline with a lead, some highs and a few psy pads. All these artists do, is listen to alot of music, decide what they think are the best elements, add some of thier own personality and originality in and package it all into a cool track. In effect, they are just building on work done by others. (notice also how many psy remixes of old songs, there are out there and how much the crowd loves them).

When you are at a trance party you are not dancing to a specific person's music. You are dancing to trance! thats whats so cool about it. knowing that theres gatherings all over the planet of other people all dancing to the same kind of music. if its going at 147bpm and its booming, its all good...
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