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lazy_i
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Posted : May 11, 2005 12:11
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i don't give a damn what anybody does as long as they keep it psy
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the thing is lazy_i, our ('psy ppl') deffinition of psy does not include 'whatever anybody does'. if no bum bum tzz bum squeaaaaak bumtz...no psy. yes, it is as sad as it can get. psychedelic in this scene has been given a technical/material meaning (most of the times). go in the NEW TRACKS section and famliarise yourselves. bout a third of the posts include something like 'u need to make that sound at 5min more psychedelic....'hence many ppl have already predifined meaning of psychedelia(am I missing out something here??). I guess however, what they mean is add more FX for instance, but does that make it b more psy? if u do think so go and listen to TV adverts!
no offence here, but what ur saying seen from my perspective is:
'I dont give damn what everybody is doing as long as they produce music analogous to my taste'
our tastes r highly biased tho....
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hey man, you got me all wrong but i can understand why. i used psy in a much looser sense here - psy is not an extra FX or synth... what i was trying to say is really much more innocent that that; whatever choices you make as an artist are your own and i will not be the one to tell you otherwise or to commend your sounds. no, far from that. look, for me psy music is music that tells a story from beginning to end and that doesn't necessarily mean psy-trance either - just any music you can close your eyes to and visualize a story line. no more. i don't want tracks with the same synths over and over again of course. our tastes are biased, you're right but it is important at the same time not to lock psy in a box; it will live on in many different forms. cheers |
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a3k
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Posted : May 12, 2005 11:49
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@ andrejcid
http://forum.isratrance.com/viewtopic.php/topic/61597/forum/11
check thix thread and the coment by tweekerD (which i took the liberty on putting it in here), i guess u will find also in here some of the things i am speaking about..
see ya mate!
“Screw them, they're only in it for the money anyway....
True psy will never be mainstream, unless the whole world goes on one huge acid trip...
Israel has no idea about anything, we can't even keep the good parties secret, even our best organizers (most) are in it for the money
Fuck them all......psy is in the state of mind, and pardon my french, but skazi and duvdev can fuck off. Skazi was crap from day one, and the arguably good days of IM are long gone....
BOM to real psytrancers out there
and happy independence day to all
Dave”
and i liked the sentence "true psy will never b mainstream"
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DeSerT.StOrM
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Posted : May 12, 2005 21:13
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I personally really like what yuli said about, "If no bum bum tzz bum squeaaaaak bumtz...no psy."  hahahaha...i almost fell outta my chair on that one. But i do agree that kids probably shouldnt mess around with stuff that they dont know what it is...a person could get themself spun off in a really terrible direction quite easily. It takes maturity and patience. to me this isnt just music. this is a way of life. all day every day for the rest of my life. who knows where id be if i hadnt started on this path...god i dont want to know.
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deejayridoo
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Posted : May 16, 2005 13:38
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the problem with bands getting more commercial is the growing EGO.
only very strong and free people can stand the fame and remain grounded.
so, i think that the most important thing for our psychedelic culture is that we support each other and be peaceful.
i´m confident that the best "startegy" to fight for one´s music and culture and to defend it from ego and plastik-barbie-empty commerciality is to be deeply peaceful and give strengh and confidence to the artists, promoters, label-owners etc. (...and not to insult them)
it´s not the money or fame itself that destroys the "soul" and produces fetish, the danger lies in weak people.
if we pay attention to each other and support others´success, there won´t be weak people to endanger or even sell out the culture.
this is the best weapon against destructive energy of superficial ego commerciality.
PEACE IS THE KEY
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PRAECOX
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Posted : May 17, 2005 11:07
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On 2003-08-05 07:39, PsyFire wrote:
More and more trance artists these days try to adapt their music for a larger audience but often compromise the quality of their music.
Do you think well known artists such as infected mushroom and astral projection have gone too commercial?
Is this good for the international trance scene or bad? Please post your opinions...
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they have been always commercial so i don think that something has changed
this topic has been dicussed 4328867 times and if u dont want to waste yo time u can always use the search
just type "commercial" "shit" "gms" or something similar...
u will get the full of answers from last 10 years
good luck and find a truth..
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Justin Chaos
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Posted : May 18, 2005 02:01
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On 2005-05-17 11:07, PRAECOX wrote:
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On 2003-08-05 07:39, PsyFire wrote:
More and more trance artists these days try to adapt their music for a larger audience but often compromise the quality of their music.
Do you think well known artists such as infected mushroom and astral projection have gone too commercial?
Is this good for the international trance scene or bad? Please post your opinions...
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they have been always commercial so i don think that something has changed
this topic has been dicussed 4328867 times and if u dont want to waste yo time u can always use the search
just type "commercial" "shit" "gms" or something similar...
u will get the full of answers from last 10 years
good luck and find a truth..
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Just_the_simple_truth
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Posted : May 18, 2005 22:49
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Pavel
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Posted : May 18, 2005 22:56
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On 2005-05-18 22:49, Just_the_simple_truth wrote:
Too commercial ?????
http://217.160.71.18/f/hit/hit2cd002t11.m3u
http://217.160.71.18/f/pho/pho1cd016t1.m3u
http://217.160.71.18/f/pho/pho1cd322t1.m3u
beware, you might get ear cancer by listening to these samples (from psyshop)
I dont mind artists doing what they want, but this isnt psychedlic and it shouldnt be on "PSY"shop imo.
Before we had to accept that everyone use a sampled GMS kick a VB1 bass ligne, a vanguard lead and some pitchbend fx done with albino, and now we are going to have to get used that some poor strangled cat is singing chezzy club vocals on this, yiiiiipppiieeee !!!
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Arrrrrr. We need a medic here. Severe internal bleedings.
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HandA
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Posted : May 19, 2005 13:22
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On 2005-05-18 22:49, Just_the_simple_truth wrote:
Too commercial ?????
http://217.160.71.18/f/hit/hit2cd002t11.m3u
http://217.160.71.18/f/pho/pho1cd016t1.m3u
http://217.160.71.18/f/pho/pho1cd322t1.m3u
beware, you might get ear cancer by listening to these samples (from psyshop)
I dont mind artists doing what they want, but this isnt psychedlic and it shouldnt be on "PSY"shop imo.
Before we had to accept that everyone use a sampled GMS kick a VB1 bass ligne, a vanguard lead and some pitchbend fx done with albino, and now we are going to have to get used that some poor strangled cat is singing chezzy club vocals on this, yiiiiipppiieeee !!!
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Yes I agree it's so wrong.. Shame on the shop.
Now that we're at it.. Get all "psy" out of commercial shops.. Now! |
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Freeflow
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Posted : May 20, 2005 02:19
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On 2005-05-18 22:49, Just_the_simple_truth wrote:
Too commercial ?????
http://217.160.71.18/f/hit/hit2cd002t11.m3u
http://217.160.71.18/f/pho/pho1cd016t1.m3u
http://217.160.71.18/f/pho/pho1cd322t1.m3u
beware, you might get ear cancer by listening to these samples (from psyshop)
I dont mind artists doing what they want, but this isnt psychedlic and it shouldnt be on "PSY"shop imo.
Before we had to accept that everyone use a sampled GMS kick a VB1 bass ligne, a vanguard lead and some pitchbend fx done with albino, and now we are going to have to get used that some poor strangled cat is singing chezzy club vocals on this, yiiiiipppiieeee !!!
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Haha! This is what the kidz like(its candy).. and the kidz is always the future.. so its a safe source for income...
I like what tweaker said, "True psy will never be mainstream"
what i dont understand is why all these so called psytrance artists keep projecting their true love of a genre in the wrong genre.. its like sucking the life out of something, if they want to make club trance why dont they do it?... can anyone tell me that? labeling something as psytrance when its club trance... its just stupid, maybe they cant handle the competition in the right genre and tries to project it to the ever evolving psy scene...
is psytrance an open genre? can we lable everything as psytrance just because its released in the name of psychedelic trance?
if we go back to the psychedelic rock of the 60ies and 70ies.. would it be okej to release a cheezy pop rock tune in the name of psychedelic rock and get away with it?
i dont think so, and i dont think they are getting away with it in psychedelic trance scene, its just that they are exploiting the name of psychedelic trance...
rise up psyheadz and demand mind bending sounds...
if we unite we could crush the capitalists and get a versatile soulfilled psychedelic trance scene...
In my forest there should be nothing but pure art, cliché´s should only be there to make us laugh...
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Pavel
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Posted : May 20, 2005 02:32
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On 2005-05-20 02:19, New Era Scientist wrote:
rise up psyheadz and demand mind bending sounds...
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I'll drink to that!
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DeSerT.StOrM
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Posted : May 23, 2005 21:04
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Yeah! im down with what New Era Scientist said...They wouldnt have gotten away with putting out crap and labeling it the same, and they shouldnt now! The market will listen to the consumers, so let them know how you feel! WE are the judge, jury, and executioner of the psytrance culture!
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EYB
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Posted : May 23, 2005 23:43
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The brain of the young people is fast enough for the music 
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